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I know they were together for a long time. I just can't think of many movies with both of them in them. George

It's halting, isn't it? Since I'm trilingual in glossolalia, yet only bilingual in interpretation... oh, well... right... where to start?

Romans10:9 confess in your heart step one...then read 1 Corinthians 14 1- 40;

cman ever hear the word epignosko, experiential knowledge/knowledge by experience; that is my walk I dont sit in an ivory tower and study the word . I live and prove the word to myself by being a doer of the word and not a hearer. I like to memorize the word as an important part of of my walk. To be able to recall the word to myself or when needed. You ask questions which is good but I have a question for you cman. Are you teaching, preaching, and operating your ministry of reconciliation and are reconciling men back to God, being a Doer of the Word? I do not need your answer because that should be between you and God. And for all whose heart the word has been the critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Ask God. Much Agape

Where do I start?

What I believe as a minister of Jesus Christ is: God has given me the ministry of reconciliation and committed the word of reconciliation to me. I can only believe for me therefore I use the word 'I", My personal relationship with MY GOD AND FATHER. I believe that God's grace peace and mercy are with me. I also believe, moreover its required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. The only perfect thing i can do is Speak In Tongues and the next perfect thing i have is my gift of the holy spirit, pneuma hagion, the rest an earthen vessel call the flesh. I believe romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. I choose to seek the things of the spirit and not walk after the flesh. Junior Corps Surviver I agree with you. mark and avoid is after the flesh, NEVER TO BE USED IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD. I understand your heart. Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

It appears that Brandon very clearly lost the faith he once had. Am curious what he thinks will happen to him after his death? I didn't get to that part if he said something about that. Thx.

George, you're up.

They were a couple George, for 50 years. She's still alive but has dementia and is in an institution or facility of some sort. Sad.

You may not be able to get kicked out of the Hosuehold but you sure can get kicked out of The Way. They M&A but they can't be M&A'd. Cut it out.

"Adams Rib", "Bringing up Baby", "Philadelphia Story", all famous work of hers.

It is. George

Yes probably part of removing material from those no longer with the Way. Similar to other solo musical artists as well as other authors. The Way Living in Love is singularly unique as it is the only place where the supposed revelation to VPW with the snow on the gas pumps story and God supposedly telling VP that he would teach him “the Word” like it hasn’t been known since the first century. That rumor was responsible for deifying the PFAL direction and the isolation of the Way off from the rest of the body of Christ. Young minds all over were duped by this message. And the leadership of the Way love the rumor. But they hate any scrutiny on the rumor because of their decision to not pursue Biblical research in a department any more other than regurgitation of earlier VPW works. Because of the rumor. The rumor goes right along with the brass statues of VP on all TWI clergy desks as well as his brazen image in the entrance to teaching centers referred to as the “Timothy statues” I mean you can almost see Moses Aaron and the molten calf standing right there.

I had no idea Living in Love was removed from the bookstore …. In my memory, it is a perfect piece of cult indoctrination ,painting this idealistic picture of the early years of vpw and life on the farm. I don’t see why theyd want to bury it. I was gone by the ‘fog years’, and certainly by the regime of hate and absolute control lcm it became. Was this part of the ‘old winecaskets’ , ‘cleaning house’, and all that? What a place !

It's got to be Katherine Hepburn.

Hey hiway29, By unsanctioned I was referring to them removing it from their bookstore for sale. Also along those lines it is notably missing from MrsVPWs work. The Way prefers to have it spread as rumors and jokes as in this thread. Yes Elena sounds like a seasoned wayfer in the book.

You might need to multiply that by many times.

The snow on gas pumps was recorded in minute detail from vp’s lips to elena whitesides book, the Way Living in Love, which of course you’re aware of. I consider that book sanctioned material. That is almost a textbook on how to think, act, and talk like a seasoned wayfer.

genesis, like every book gives the readers certain info to process, to each their own you know like 2 things can be true at the same time even if it contradicts each other so a story with a lot in it reveals more as we grow there is no 1 interpretation of events

is fellowship walking in love equal to memorizing scripture? you need to experience fellowship in Christ before you can break it acquiring knowledge is not fellowship quoting scripture is not fellowship

Yeah the whole salt water thing and tying it to amniotic fluid in a woman giving birth was even more of a stretch to sanity. But Okie daddy never did excel in plausible dreams or Biblical research lol.

Hey karateka Nice to meet you. Inspiration from scripture is great. People using that as a means to control you is not. I dunno what any of this has to do with Donna whose thread you posted in. You might consider starting another thread to talk about a topic or introduce yourself more and start talking. Just a suggestion.

I find remarkably little provable evidence in most critical textualism. https://study.com/learn/lesson/euclidean-geometry-overview-history-examples.html#:~:text=Euclidean geometry refers to the,around the year 300 BCE. I look at Euclid and his concepts. He wrote down a few observations. Years later they were turned into postulates and people derived whole semesters of torture for students starting with his words lol. Now we can manufacture and print amazing objects in 3D geometry. However in direct contrast most philosophical and religious discussions devolve into a sheer waste of time with no notable progress anywhere. Faith in Jesus Christ would be the only postulate to form the correct math to me anyway. But the garbage people derive from that and call geometry or Christianity is missing logic and inspiration.

I would respond that the authors themselves had no knowledge about how their words would be foreshadowing the Messiah. If there was any element of inspiration from God in their words (way different from the theopneustos trap of every word being automatic writing from God) then God as the orchestrator could be in charge of the foreshadowing. Hosea was just writing about a drought and tying it to Israel’s lifestyle. I would agree that they are human authors. I differ in viewing them of having a “spark of the divine” in their writings. I would contend that scripture is Gods intention for humans to connect with that spark for inspiration but was never designed for Pharisee and Scribe exercises in predicting the future or coming up with unfulfillable levels of detail in laws and customs. That would be man’s natural proclivity for controlling things and adding to the narrative. Others views may vary of course

WOW. I honestly never heard this joke throughout my time in TWI. But it does not surprise me in the least. When people get to the point of crafting metal images of VPW for their clergy desks and teaching centers then the next logical step is to deify his words. All of the little stories and jokes that are told behind the scenes and off stage are really vital in maintaining the hoax. Like this one. And other tall tales of VPs prowess. Most of them were told by him but many by his sycophant followers. This reminds me of the only record of VPWs “revelation” and snow on gas pumps. It is not recorded anywhere in sanctioned TWI material. So they hid the story and just tell rumors of it behind the scenes to dupe the unsuspecting. I mean is the book “Lifelines” with quotes from VP still sold in their bookstore. They elevate VPs words to a level above scripture. You have to ask VP for the “literal translation according to usage” or VPs metaphor for “my interpretation”