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Hi Allan It's Gabriel from way back to TW in New Zealand Yes- I have no idea why i stuck on to The Way for 5 long years All i can say is I had been totally brain washed by a devious VPW and in my opinion TW traps people and makes them feel guilty if they ever wanted to leave. Apart from a few people like you I never saw love in TW and it felt like a gestapo- I dont know why i never spoke up and why I never got out of it. I know that when Alan was in the way corps with his family, TW had already been bad mouthing so badly about Alan among the people in NZ so that nobdy would believe him when he opened up on the truth - It was all control, force and compliance and they always use scriptures that backed up what TW and the enforcers wanted- TW interpretation of scriptures for instance how a good soldier of The Lord is always validated when you follow what they want- Because if you don't then you miss out on salvation- Get that logic- Thats why it's a dangerous cult and once you opt to live in a way household then you are further mind controlled The instructions come from the top and filters down and I think behind your back, they keep tabs on you. If anyone has got allan's contact details- I believe he is currently in Australia. I would appreciate if you could let him know that I can be contacted via greasespot or through my face book- just type in Gabe Doraisamy or let me know how I can get in touch with Allan

Ain't that the truth!

He didn't mention Cartels, I'd just assumed that. Had no idea Cartels were a modern innovation, thought they'd been around since forever. We're going to meet the dude again, all of us, and we're going to live together with him forever, you know, for eternity. I'm trying hard to get my head around that and learn to put the past behind. It isn't easy sometimes.

Hello, George Welcome to GSC. You and I undoubtedly have differing opinions on many topics. That's OK, though. Healthy discussion of differences leads to deeper understanding of the issues and the individuals discussing them. As you pointed out, bickering is counterproductive and to be avoided. It looks like you've put a good deal of thought into your online endeavor. I commend you for your effort and enthusiasm. Things here can seem contentious from time to time. It's all part of the process. We're glad you've decided to get on board. Feel free to ask questions and disagree whenever you feed the need. All we really ask is for the conversation to remain civil and productive. I hope you will find your time here productive.

Thomas, thanks for pointing that out - that’s a HUGE credibility gap!

And now, each year............more corps exit because the blatant hypocrisy and discrepancies cannot be avoided. What the heck does "way corps" even mean anymore? Does anybody know what time it is? The time for *choosing* has come and gone................and most corps have GONE. Hypocrisy everywhere.......vying over the uppermost seats in the "marketplace" and merchandizing of others. Hq-leadership sit at their cozy desks week after week, year after year........no one inside the closed circle confronts this? Seems like one of the major reasons for moving corps to another city is DAMAGE CONTROL.....another corps couple left. What are the hardships and burdens today? Well.......the constant traveling to meetings and events is enough to keep them jumping thru hoops. The board of directors has nothing of relevance to do but time to sit around and scheme more involvement. Travel here, travel there......burn the tires off your car. All time and labor given to the cult is time stolen from your life, family, equity and retirement. It may not seem a big deal when you are in your 20s........just wait till you are in your 60s. With each passing year......the cult eats away at the fruit of your labor. They store it away into THEIR STOREHOUSE. The theft of YOUR labor is anti-Christian. All those years of running their classes, sponsoring their programs, involvement in "leadership" programs, sales force as wow ambassadors, teaching rehashed material at twigs and coerced to go witnessing at the local mall......was THEFT of your labor. And further.....when you realize the depth of twi's deception, you realize that even giving them your tithe (or abundant sharing - 15%) was not acceptable. Also.....the burden of stress/anxiety of keeping up with BOD demands. Paperwork. Reporting back. Public confrontation in front of your peers. Or, character assassination when you are not there. All the while....there's the burden of defending The Way International's reputation and motive. If they know anything about the other side of the wierwille-equation .....how do they defend that? How do they square that circle.......of ethics, proper boundaries, plagiarism, theft, revisionist history, etc? When corps go witnessing (cough, cough)......how do they withstand the questions when someone goes on the internet and brings forth the DEPTH OF DISCREPANCIES? Hardships and burdens and lies...............OH MY. .

Rocky.......thanks for your kind words. Sorry to hear that you are enduring some personal stress. Life certainly gives most of us its share of challenges.......just today, I learned that my nephew in Nashville, TN had his place of business destroyed by that tornado. Smashed up roof, shredded screen-printing equipment, destroyed material and customer orders............but thankfully, this tornado cut its deadly swath in the dark of night when businesses and schools were closed. Take care Rocky........and March 4th with the sunshine on your face. All the best to you, skyrider

When it comes to giving descriptive terms regarding wierwille..........quite often, I gravitate to words like 1) narcissist, 2) plagiarist, 3) false prophet/teacher, 4) opportunist, 5) misogynist, 6) paranoid personality disorder, and 7) sexual predator. I do not claim to have any expertise in psychological evaluations or clinical study. Clearly, there is lots of overlap in these complex fields of psychological study. Therefore, I usually hesitate to say with any certainty that wierwille was a psychopath ..... But what I did see in wierwille's dominant character pattern was the unique alignment with narcissistic personality disorder ...... where *lack of empathy* is one of the nine criteria listed. And, jokingly........I refer to these 9 criteria as wierwille's "all nine all the time." Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people Continually demeaning, bullying and belittling others Exploiting others to achieve personal gain Lack of empathy for the negative impact they have on the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people Fixation on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc. Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions Need for continual admiration from others Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others Intense envy of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them And then, there's the moral/spiritual hypocrisy aspect of wierwille.......that takes much of this entitlement to a whole new level. Wierwille utilized the bureaucratic levers of religion to exploit a mass following. In this deception, wierwille was NOT anti-social, crazy or a nut-job. He was methodical and cunning in manipulating others. Wierwille built a pyramid by exploiting youth labor. He was the classic, modern-day Pharisee.......embracing a sacrosanct demeanor of himself (over others). That which is sacrosanct is doubly sacred: the two Latin components underlying the word, "sacro" and "sanctus," were combined long ago to form a phrase meaning "hallowed by a sacred rite." Sacro means "by a sacred rite" and comes from "sacrum," a Latin noun that lives on in English anatomy as the name for our pelvic vertebrae-a shortening of "os sacrum," which literally means "holy bone." Sanctus means "sacred" and gave us "saint" and obvious words like "sanctimony," "sanctify," and "sanctuary." Those last 8 years of wierwille's life (1977-1985) .......he amplified his ancestry, his stedfastness, his calling and his legacy to the corps, repeatedly. Not only did he need the continual admiration of his corps and followers.......he wanted his legacy to be elevated in the pantheon of great men.

Indeed. But at age 22 (43 years ago or so), it just felt overwhelming... but yes, I know now it was a smart move. I almost made it all the way out of the cult that year. After being away for nearly a year, a 7th corpse guy apparently found my phone number (it was listed then) called me and I went back to twi for a few years. Finally made the break after veepee passed.