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According to someone I trust for reliable information......twi is starting to reach out and solicit/summon ex-corps grads to come back. Apparently, there is a growing demand for Limb coordinators. Huge swaths of states do NOT have adequate or no leadership. Seems that few are willing to take on the task and challenge of running a state. What could possibly be the reasons? A non-salary position......and confrontation from the bod-leadership every week? The grueling paperwork and reporting back to distant overlords? Enduring a no-upside situation.....and neglecting wife/kids in the process? Being micro-managed by hypocritic Pharisees? At the smallest mistake, having your name sullied thru the mud at corps meetings? If you think about quitting.....you will be on the blunt end of character assassination? Also, it was said that the board of directors is implementing some of Bob Moneyhands' suggestions from that letter. Yes, Bob (and others) did suggest that the no-debt policy should be tossed. Yes, Bob (and others) did suggest that corps who were wronged should be invited back. Are they going to start up a "research team" again? I'm positive that twi knows who I am......and has photocopied hundreds of my GSC threads. I will not be getting a phone call......thankfully. It wouldn't matter if they apologized for Martindale's and Lally's 1998 Character Assassination on my life and reputation. They publically lied about us to keep us from exposing the sullied underbelly of Martindale's sexual predation and twi's whitewashing this information. Rosalie knew. They all knew. No matter.........I ain't going back. Never. Ever.

Yes ! I Googled “do statistics show that the covid vaccine save lives?” and got quite a few hits – the first one quantifies the lives saved and even gives an economic value to it: According to National Institutes of Health study mentioned in an October 2021 of Psychiatric Times: “Covid-19 vaccines have so far reduced the number of fatalities that would have occurred due to the disease by about 140,000. The study researchers examined data from between December 21, 2020, and May 9, 2021, to assess the impact of state-level vaccination campaigns. The investigators compared the amount of time each state took to reach a series of milestones, beginning with 5 doses per 100 adults and escalating to 120 doses per 100 adults. They also calculated the number of vaccine doses per 100 adults at the end of each week. The researchers found that COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 139,000 deaths during the first 5 months they were available. Although 570,000 Americans died due to COVID-19 through the study period, the researchers’ model projected that there would have been 709,000 deaths without the vaccine. “The researchers found that COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 139,000 deaths during the first 5 months they were available.” In addition, the investigators estimated that the economic value of saving these lives was between $625 billion and $1.4 trillion. from: Psychiatric Times - how many lives have been saved by Covid-19 vaccinations these links provide other aspects of the vaccines: Myths and Facts about Covid-19 facts USA Today article - American lives saved by Covid-19 vac flawed paper on supposedly covid-19 vaccine deaths * * * * DVD bonus feature: Another question I Googled was “did people question or doubt the smallpox vaccine like they do the covid-19 vaccine?” and found this stuff: "History Does Repeat: Pandemic Vaccine Uproar Is Nothing New… Oct. 14, 2021 -- Even as the fourth wave of COVID-19 cases trends downward, one aspect of the pandemic remains strong: differing opinions on the value of COVID-19 immunization and vaccine mandates across the U.S. Strong feelings around vaccination are nothing new. Claims that link the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine to autism and opposition to measles vaccination that triggered outbreaks in California are recent examples. People who were against smallpox immunizations, for example, ran advertisements, wrote to newspapers, and formed anti-vaccine organizations, as seen in news clippings from the 1860s to the 1950s. In other words, although the furor over vaccines feels like a modern experience, disagreements throughout history reveal many similarities. "There are a lot of parallels -- many of the same exact arguments," says Anna Kirkland, PhD, director of the Institute for Research on Women and Gender at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. In this etching from 1808, vaccine pioneer Edward Jenner, at right in blue, tries to convince vaccination opponents to get the smallpox shot. "Some of the differences now are the stark political alignments by party that we see under COVID, which were there in some ways before but became very prominently organized by party," she says. "Those are only differences of degree, though, because there has long been an anti-government backing of anti-vaccine sentiments." For example, the Anti-Vaccination Society of America was founded in 1879. Its public campaign against mandatory smallpox vaccination used wording about personal freedoms that might sound familiar today: "Liberty cannot be given, it must be taken." The society was part of a larger movement that also questioned the motives behind promotion of the smallpox vaccine. "The anti-vaccination movement questioned the data released by health authorities, and accused politicians, doctors and pharmaceutical companies of conspiring to act on their economic interests rather than health considerations," notes MyHeritage, which maintains an archive of pro- and anti-vaccine news clippings. "For this reason -- and because MyHeritage has access to billions of historical records, including newspaper clippings -- it was natural for us to check the newspaper archives, to try and make sense of today's significant vaccination debate," says Roi Mandel, lead researcher at MyHeritage. Other historians point out that the anti-vaccination movement in the U.S. got its start in the 1850s with the announcement of smallpox vaccine mandates. "Much of that movement was predicated on widespread concern about the safety of smallpox vaccine, as well as a belief that vaccination laws were 'a tyrannical violation of individual liberty,' wrote Joseph B. Domachowske and Manika Suryadevara, both MDs, in a 2013 report in Human Vaccines & Immunotherapeutics. "Unfortunately, the anti-vaccination activism helped bring about a significant decline in immunization rates, resulting in the re-emergence of smallpox just a couple of decades later," they said.” from: WEB MD vaccine opposition not new and don't forget CUNY EDU News - a tale of two pandemics Forbes tales from the vaccine vault T-Bone's disclaimer: I firmly believe Blockbuster's friendly reminder to be kind and rewind is still applicable in this age of digital media and streaming services.

Did anybody do what was was expected of them on the WOW field? If I remember correctly there was a requirement that you witness 48 hours a week (average 8 hours/day since we were supposed to take one day off) I was sent to a town of around 5,000 in western Nebraska. I'm pretty sure I personally didn't witness for 48 hours/week, but it was certainly possible, assuming you only worked an average of 4 hours/day at your part-time job. I usually worked around 7am - 11am, so if I had an hour to walk home and eat lunch, I had around 5 hours to witness before going home for dinner. Assuming an hour to prepare and eat dinner, I would have to be out witnessing again from 6-9 pm to get up to those 8 hours. I'm pretty sure that (1) I wasn't disciplined enough to keep that schedule & (2) we all had different work schedules, so it was tough to go out in pairs during the day & (3) with only 5,000 people, pretty soon everyone in town had either been witnessed to or had heard of us & wasn't interested. [5000 people divided by 3.5 (the average number of people per household) = 1429 households. If we knocked on a slow pace of 2 doors per hour per pair (assuming 2 x 2) that 32 households witnessed to per day x 6 days of witnessing/week for 192 doors knocked on every week. If we kept up this pace, we would have knocked on every door in 7 1/2 weeks. We were in this town for around 25 weeks - & were moved mid-year to a city of around 25,000] We ran out of people long before we even hit the theoretical 7 1/2 weeks. The town's churches (TWENTY of them) had heard we were coming. That year, the Corps WOW Coordinators were sent out before Corps week to scout out the territory, our leader had made a few contacts and secured a job for himself, and in doing so had given the town's religious folks an opportunity to get ready for our arrival. We spent a lot of energy battling organized opposition and threats to our safety. We started spending our witnessing time during the day drinking coffee at a local café and in the evening drinking beer at the bar, striking up conversations, but not really pushing it. By the time we were moved mid year to a college town of 25,000, which was much more open to proselytizing, we had already given up any pretense of doing the program. We did run a PFAL class made up of 2 guys who we had met in Sidney (one because he was having sex with one of the WOW women) and a handful of people that a pair of WOWvets had signed up before we arrived. By the time summer arrived we'd spend our days after work hanging out at the lake. When August and the ROA arrived we felt like we had endured, not served. We were relieved that it was all over

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This has been a problem on its way for 30+ years. The late 60s/early 70s numerical growth was fueled by young people who wanted something different than what their parents' churches had to offer. As cultish as we now know TWI has always been, for us young people back then, TWI, at least upon our initial exposure, was exciting. For the children of the first few waves of PFAL grads, TWI was their parents' church and was anything but exciting. Besides, by the 90s there was an evangelical or "full Bible" church on every street corner that claimed to deliver the same "accuracy of The Word" that TWI did...there was plenty of choice, it wasn't just TWI vs. mainstream Christianity any more.

EXACTLY. It's simply another attempt to find others who will shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic. Everything is optics with twi...........everything!

It not a huge demand in terms of TWI is really starting to grow. It's a demand caused by kicking out active way corps when you already dont have that many people in the first place. They are truly clueless.

Understood. Thanks Rocky. When one steps back and thinks about this......these guys "pal around" together, but some have THEIR OWN WEBSITES AND AGENDAS. Under the umbrella of R&R...... they portray themselves as an alternative to twi. But when it comes to wierwille-doctrine and groupthink, these CORPS-BOTS are the same as twi. Different label.....but same contents inside.

Most of these guys are 65-74 years old........moneyhands, fort, slavit, sann, sailer, strezpek, etc....... and how many of them were corps coordinators? I think horney and magnelli are a bit younger, but still......were embedded in that "corps coordinator groupthink ilk." Of course, they have NO MARKETABLE SKILLS except *snake-oil salesmen"..... so there's that. These guys moved their snake-oil booth across the street and put a different label on their shingle..... so THEY could run the business, and pocket the money, as they desired. How gullible do people have to be to not see this??????

Good points. Oh and let's not forget Gallegher's new doctrine to ensure bondage to church leaders... My point actually had been not that they needed to continue off on hubris-like course of thinking they were coming up with the latest and greatest revelation from God since the First Century, but rather becoming humble and recognizing that they actually don't need to be pioneers in order to walk on the path of God's will.

I don't know which would be a bigger trainwreck- that they don't expand their learning, or that they do. If they don't expand, they're just fossilized leftovers from twi. But when we see twi splinters "expand", we get mess-ups like endorsing Momentus and the "personal prophecy" thing. And they can't be fixed because they can't accept they'd mess up that badly- and worse, that people like us saw it coming a mile away, can identify the problem at a moment's glance, and begin outlining solutions.