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He had better Lifelines than VP ”When you come to a fork in the road take it” ”90% of baseball is mental, the other half is physical “ ”Always go to other people’s funerals or they won’t come to yours”

Thx so much for that sharing. We have some similarities: I too went WOW in 1975 (Amarillo TX) and took the Advanced Class in 1978 (Virginia Beach VA). I still SIT, and even do it at a Roman Catholic church meeting called "spirit wind". We have manifestions AND mass all in one meeting. Not only do they SIT, and eat the Eucharist but they lay on hands "like a house of fire." That part blows my mind. They always ask if you want to be personally prayed for before you leave the room -- gear up for it, it's a big deal.

Right. Sorry. I realized this as soon as I hit submit.

Here’s my history with TW. Sorry, it’s a bit long. I took the class in 1974 and went WOW in 1975. That year was a mixture of the good, the bad and the ugly. I was 19 and had never lived away from home before. We were a family of 6 (3 guys and 3 girls), but 2 left. One of them was a friend who I went to grade school with and who lived down the street from me growing up. He had a mental breakdown on the field and then continued to struggle for a few more years after that. I’d meet up with him at times once I returned back home and often he was making no sense when talking about God and other stuff – it was like his brain was fried. As far as I knew he was never like that before going WOW. I did like my WOW family and enjoyed the fellowships, teaching the Word and to some degree, even witnessing. I wanted to stay on the straight and narrow and not return to old bad habits and to help me do so, I developed an eating disorder (which I have had to deal with off and on ever since). It was also very upsetting when I couldn’t go home for a visit when I heard that my mom had left my dad. Although I felt proud when I finished the year and received my WOW pin, to be honest, it wasn’t just "my commitment and love for God" that kept me on the field. It was also because I wanted to see my boyfriend again at the Rock of Ages (a WOW ambassador I had started to date before going WOW ). However, that's when I found out that he had hooked up with someone during his Corps year. I left the ministry shortly after returning home and was doing alright until I began to miss the fellowship of believers so I moved to another city to get back into “the Word.” During that year, the Corps leader on his interim year approached me and yadda, yadda, yadda, I got off the straight and narrow path, became pregnant, refused his suggestion to have an abortion and later had a beautiful baby boy. He was sent immediately to some faraway place in Canada, and I had no further contact with him until a few emails decades later. In 1978, I took the advanced class and married a fellow believer six months after we met based on the way’s teaching that any two believers, even with very little else in common, would have a successful marriage as long as they stood on the word. We had a quick honeymoon and then immediately went WOW together with my 1 year old son. The two of us were expected to start up a fellowship in a new city. That's when . I soon realized that my spiritual life had been built, not on a rock, but on sand whose particles were made up of the belief that if I took the advanced class and went WOW, I’d become this strong and wonderful believer. In reality, I found out that not only could I not live up to my WOW commitment’s expectations (because of the sand situation) but also that my new husband really had no interest in living up to it at all – he’d only went WOW because I wanted to go. The ensuing paranoid was horrible. I believed with all my heart that if I “copped out,” we were going to lose God’s hedge of protection and become sitting ducks for the adversary (including my son!). I mentally lost it and we left both the field and the ministry. Thankfully, I regained my sanity a little while later. Now to quickly put an ending to this long story, we eventually got back into the Ministry (I know, I know ), I became pregnant with my second child, the country coordinator who was married with two children wanted to have an affair with me, I had a third baby while living in a Way home, actually went door-to-door witnessing a few days after giving birth (again – crazy stuff) and in 1986, I finally left the ministry for good. I gave up hope in the ministry when the new country coordinator snubbed me and accused me of pridefully thinking I knew more than “Doctor Wierwille” because I’d come to believe (through much studying) that their doctrine of tithing was not biblical. There was also all the other crap going on in the ministry at that time, but the “straw-and-camel’s back” reason was because my mother was dying of cancer. The same mother I had spent so little quality time with because of my beliefs and activities in the way. Thankfully, again, I was able to be of some comfort to her before she died. During all those years in the ministry, I had a desire to go into the Corps as another way of growing spiritually, but was too timid about asking people to sponsor me. Based on what I’ve been reading on GSC, I am so, so glad I never took that route. However, a family that I knew and deeply cared about (except for the husband who had a long history of wanting to have the status of being a “way elite”) did take that route and went into the Family Corps. Unfortunately, the wife herself had a long history of dealing with a bipolar disorder. She left the Corps in a manic state during their first year and her husband and 3 children, who then also had to leave the Corps, wanted nothing more to do with her after that. As being a mother was the most special thing in her life, she committed suicide within a year. Her “Christian” and still way-believing family never came to the funeral. I can relate to much of the pain and anger I read about in some posts. I include the word “much” because I’ve never had to live through the brutal experiences of being in the corps like a lot of you did. I still carry around the desire to do 2 Timothy 2:15, but I’m learning to listen to the biblical beliefs of others and respect their right to have them.

alright! a round of stretched coffee for everyone - Waysider is buying!

Please hold all your questions until the end of this thread If your questions are not answered by then you can sit (or SIT) through this whole thread again free of charge

Smarter than the average natural man.

113. Excellor Sessions Why in the name of the precious baby Jesus on a pogo stick do we need to practice the mechanics of faking something that God gave freely? A-shonta b-shonta c-shonta d-shonta Oh boy I’m feeling more fluent already And spiritually pumped up by Hanz and Franz. Aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd just a little bit better than you because of my works based spirituality.

112. wierwille misleadingly teaches what he thinks is true worship In The New Dynamic Church, chapter 7, What is True Worship? Pages 81ff, wierwille starts off by quoting from John 4: 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. ~ ~ ~ ~ In a previous post I quoted wierwille saying “The holy spirit field – that’s the field God raised me up for. There’s not a question that cannot be answered biblically. And there’s no one I can’t lead into speaking in tongues if they are Christian and want to do it." I think wierwille was such an arrogant self-described holy spirit expert that he would create an extraneous idea out of a text even if it just mentioned the word “spirit”. He goes on from quoting John 4 to say true worship is speaking in tongues. Students taking PFAL for the first time are unaware of wierwille’s knack for reading into the text. It’s called Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. It is often done to "prove" a pre-held point of concern, and to provide confirmation bias corresponding with the pre-held interpretation and any agendas supported by it. Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. Exegesis is drawing out a text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning. Eisegesis is when a reader imposes their interpretation of the text. Thus exegesis tends to be objective; and eisegesis, highly subjective. From: Eisegesis - Wikipedia ~ ~ ~ ~ I won’t bore you with mentioning anymore of wierwille’s erroneous babble. Instead, let’s consider the more obvious line of thought Jesus was talking about in John 4. Remember humankind was made in the image and likeness of God. Rather than conforming to some external religious-looking ritual - just going through the motions. Jesus was telling us to worship God with that part of us that is like Him – the supernatural side – and in truth - consistent with what has been revealed in Scripture. Prayer and how we each think of God and relate to God is deeply personal…unique…indescribable…pseudo-Christian cult-leaders like to control followers and dictate what is required for religious service. That’s reason # 112 of why PFAL sucks.

All right I’m speculating here. I think he went along with the trinity topic for a long time as a pastor. He states this. Then at a certain point he reached critical mass with the ecumenical Bible center at the Way because people and their money went back to their churches after taking his stolen class. So he delved into conspiracy theory, and got controversial with edge case views in JCNG and ADAN. And drove them home so hard that he ended up teaching in his Adv class that all heads of Christian denominations are seed of the serpent men. Oh and what is that anyway? Something else new? Destination : Gillian’s Island at the Way Thats where it ends up a splinter off of the ship of the family faith. And bondage and damage and Pharisee clutches within clutches in the group.

Spot on. Personally the way I was led into tongues was a friend who went to an Oral Robert’s stadium meeting and brought home teachings. Ironically a different year from VP faking his way on stage at another one of those. But the guy just taught me a couple things we prayed and then it flowed naturally. I later attended another one of Orals offerings or one of his kids. They don’t really do any of the evangelist style tent meetings or stadium meetings made famous by Steve Martin in Leap of Faith any more. I remember it was encouraging and inspiring. When I got into the Way I liked the detail on the manifestations but didn’t really question the whole package taught and lived and what the fruit was. Today I just pray and it goes back and forth and who cares but God hears and knows. And like Corinthians says without love it is more cowbell only lol In a space of silence in an extended prayer meeting I may be inspired to bring forth a message where there is tongues. Or not. Or what we called in twig prophecy. But the format of controlling Maggie Muggins in the name of controlling the flow of a meeting is repulsive. It’s more about the control than about the power shown or the message. That produces elevator music Christianity.