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I didn't witness the "doggy" video first hand, but I was present on several occasions when Wierwille presented his list of sex related slang in CF&S. Some of the students were as young as 13 years old. If he did that today, he'd be put on a registry and have to report periodically to a government agency. I'm not sure if he would be required to put that on his business card, though.

But but but but but but Isnt whitewash like a little white lie? I mean the BOD is only lying to them to protect them and so the ministry is not blamed. Nobody cares about a little whitewash do they? It’s only to make the neighborhood look better. Trying real hard with my list of excuses to lie to followers.

Just to bring things back, Mike has spent FIVE PAGES avoiding answering this, from page 1, that he keeps claiming he has no time to deal with. See how he's once again managed to shift the conversation from "empathy" to his pet, the collaterals. Some might think that his refusal to address the quoted post shows ... a lack of empathy.

Okay, I'm minded to start a brand new thread (again) and repeat my Empathy post. Perhaps we can all leave the first page and a half to Mike for his ruminations. And then we can all jump in. And Mike. No one great long screed. Anything you post will be in small chunks. Bite-size. If you want to make a long post, break it up. Like: Answer ONE paragraph with ONE OR TWO paragraphs of your own. Then move to your next post. And no bloody jargon or fake terminology, either, Mike. Anybody up for this?

bullshonta.

Some children never face the harsh realities of the outside world so remain at a child like emotional development state through most of their adult life.

Do you have children?

So basically you would lie to people until they took all the materials the ministry had to offer. Jingle bells.

You've given him enough, OS. He listens not to you, to the Bible, to words of wisdom from other posters. As the saying goes, "There's none so blind as those who will not see."

Yes those pesky footnotes and bibliography entries. They just so distract people. I’m sure they’ve never had to use them in a paper in school or anything to cite the legitimacy of their writings. Yes pulling materials of “cop outs” as the internal saying goes is probably a full time job for someone. They really have to jump through hoops with Craig’s book on Acts. They downplay it, only quote it if no other source, and hide it in Way tree job descriptions. The “history department” is the BOD. They are also the “research department”. They set the direction of what the PLAFT teachers studied and taught. Their egos are so huge that they cannot tolerate any others in those fields or jobs. Their decision making is 100 percent around “that the ministry be not blamed” twisting of a scripture to hyper focus on self preservation as opposed to the truth from Gods Word as spoken to them via many sources.

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Despite what a certain poster says here, I love that we have the internet. Because I can read all sorts of things, and learn all sorts of things. As I've said before: I even use the net in my gardening work - how? to find out how to tend a new-to-me plant; to find out what kind of disease a plant may be suffering, and how to treat it; to find the best way or time to prune something, and so on. Furthermore, I "travel" around the world and see places I've never been. Find out how to fix my car. Find out about an illness someone is suffering. Learn Biblical archaeology. Learn how to fit things together in new ways. I go much further than any one person "taught" me. Reading! Wow, been doing it since a very tiny girl (probably nearly 3; well before age 4 I was reading, and writing. It's dictatorships that want to ban reading, curtail what outside knowledge a person has access to. Censors books, limits access to non-approved websites. Despite that, I don't disapprove of VPW's "suggestion" that new grads of PFAL "put aside all other reading material for the next three months, and just read the epistles." It does serve to immerse the new Christian in facets of the Christian lifestyle. It might have been better if he'd encouraged reading the gospels, or any place in the NT on a systematic basis. (In fact, it was that exhortation, to read the epistles, that "hooked" me - not the crappy class - no church I'd ever attended encouraged that - epistles as entire pieces of work were all new to me.) Read, people. Read widely and carefully and not just from one source. See how this ties in with my thread on "Consider the Evidence"?

What's this business of comparing one version of the collaterals with some other version? That's akin to comparing bull manure with heifer manure. Have you considered comparing the collaterals with what the Bible says on a subject? And I don't mean just looking at the words of, and occasional verses noted in, the collateral kid's-essay, but at the depth of what the Bible says about a topic. Which will include very, very much more material than in a few badly written pages of a kid's-essay.

"Digital Decision"? "Analog Decision"? What the f*** is that supposed to mean? And NO, I don't want a Mikean answer. Mike, just bloody well use proper English. Stop inventing phrases to disguise what you mean / so as to appear more ?intelligent ?intellectual ?erudite / because you want to confuse things further. Try choosing normal English expressions. Then nobody will have to keep asking you questions - oh wait, that is what you want... to be the centre of attention. [A few minutes later] Oh lordy me. And now he's abbreviating his bizarre wording. Now I see "DD decision" (=?digital decision decision?) just to be even more confusing. Speak English, Mike. Or Chinese, if you like. But be coherent.

Mike..perhaps confirmation bias hinders your objectivity...I'm a musician and have studied and applied various learning methods and confirmation bias can hinder efforts at times. Perhaps detach...detachment is really an effective method in learning breakthroughs where we climb out of a rut that's just become routine. Take yourself out of the equation and maybe that will help. I'm endeavoring to do the same...I'm not talking at you I'm just sharing techniques I use in my various endeavors. I have quite a few irons in the fire and as we all do hit walls often enough...a learning plateau if u will. Just a though and a suggestion that may help.

Im not playing along...your tactics are completely transparent...why on eart would I waste time putting anything together for you. Your an internet troll who is trolling a forum board of peole who have been damaged by the way international, an abusive cult founded by victor paul wierwille, why on earth would I spend any time on your requests.