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131. You can’t just “take the class” once and be done with it. It becomes an endless repeat loop throughout all life. a. Take the class b. Serve on class crew c. Get everyone you know to “take the class” d. Go out on an ambassador one year program to spend a year convincing others to “take the class”. e. Enter a “lifetime of Christian service” program centered around running the class multiple times per year. f. In retirement as “emeritus” help others by serving on class crew and “undershepherding” others until you die. Anything on endless loop repeat sucks.

It is true that interactions surrounding “the class” more fit descriptions for either brainwashing or whitewashing as opposed to “learning”.

After spending over a week reading about Mike Bickle’s doctrines and his International House of Prayer (IHOP), as well as looking at websites which describe IHOP as a cult, my fellowship with Christ and any fruit of the spirit in my life I had took a nosedive. It was only when I realized I needed a break from “all things Bickle” and began reading Philippians that my heart almost instantly became lighter and the vice on my brain loosened. It now makes me wonder though what happens to Christians, especially young ones, when they are fed a steady diet of only one particular food group at the expense of the others. This is what I believe Mike Bickle and his International House of Prayer is doing. His particular food group or focus of scripture is on the end times where he emphasizes the church as being the beloved bride of Christ calling for her bridegroom (based on the Song of Solomon and Revelation 22:17), the role prayer and songs of worship (as in his 24/7 prayer house) play in bringing about the return of Christ; and his plan to build an insatiable hunger in young people to participate in these two aspects of his ministry. This hunger is an extremely emotional one, is deepened by the isolation of his intern program for 18-25 year olds and is heavily fed with prophetic words given by every Tom, Dick and Harry who graduate from his “School of Messengers.” (SOM is for believers who sense a call to be prophetic messengers as voices and light to others.) The point is - it’s not just the errors in his end-time teachings (which for me at this time is mostly based on what others say who have studied his work) but it’s the fact that they overshadow our walk with Christ. It's very similar to how the "upmost" importance of vp's doctrine, drive, push, vision for every twi believer to move the word PFAL over the world encompassed our lives and diminished our relationship with Christ.

Gonna save you the click. "...and they all lived abundantly ever after."

I forwarded the video to around 20 minutes and made it through about 55 seconds. I cant. Its TWI all over again.

Im not surprised. Unless one really can get honest about a lot of things I wouldnt expect anyone to change. Its all he knows to do...same with other offshoots.

I spent over 20 years looking into seeking spiritual understanding via TWI. You can argue they are a cult, were a counterfit, and only their only interest was promoting VPW’s sex life. But I spent 9 years with the RC’s and a few years with a local church seeking spiritual understanding, but always came up empty. Why wasn’t I seeing so called signs, miracles, and wonders? Maybe 1 person being raised from the dead or 1 person with AIDS being cured would have convinced me there really was spiritual understanding. I never even saw a cold cured in 30 years. I did see TWI leaders killed in a car accident, but didn ‘t see them brought back to life. Our fellowship followed the WOW handbook and barely saw any results. My best friend was a RC believer, but died young from cancer. We prayed and prayed for him to be cured, but he died. I gave 15% of my money to the church for God to bless me financially, but only found myself 15% poorer. When I compare actual life to what the bible says it should be, the bible comes up short. I had no choice but to accept reality, and forget about god, at least the one in the bible. I have been apart of seances, levitations, and operating ouija boards, that didn’t require any training or praying to perform them. We just decided to do them and they produced results. That is the best I can compare to spiritual understanding.

Yeah. I've been thinking about this for some time. Never has it been suggested to me after graduating from an academic institution or a professional training course or a course in leadership or the 5th grade that I should repeat that course study. That's why it's called graduation! The word grad is so misused with respect to PFAL. If one feels the need to thanklessly endure a 33 hour "holding forth" session dozens, even hundreds, of times, I submit that very repeating proves there is no graduation, because there is no real teaching, no real learning. If everyone misses so much the first time, the problem is not the "student." It's the "class." It's "the teacher." I am so grateful to have studied under some truly amazing teachers in my life, academically, professionally, and spiritually. Thinking about them now, I am humbly awestruck at their skill as teachers and leaders and mentors. The weak teachers are valuable, also. They show me how NOT to teach. They are the dark making obvious the light. They are the chaff to the wheat. I am grateful for the contrast they provide. victor paul wierwille is among the top two worst "teachers" I have ever encountered. And that "class" is among the top two worst I've ever thanklessly endured. victor and his sycophants can't even comprehend what it means to teach, to learn.