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As wierwille's twi grew in the 1970's, it made a quantum leap from the 5th corps to the 6th corps. From the numbers I remember, the 5th corps had 75 graduates.... whereas, the 6th corps started in Emporia with near 340 corps. It was a massive leap in numbers and could not be trained at headquarters, so the trustees searched for a location and took out a second mortgage/loan to acquire the Emporia campus. Along with this risk.... twi was ill-equipped to handle the free-rolling, rowdy individuals that were part of this 6th corps influx. Thus, heavy-handed measures came into play. One of my big contentions with corps training was that it was obsessed with obedience. Far too much emphasis was placed on following leadership..... rather than diligence or spiritual vigilance. Why the excessive need for obedience? Control. Corps coordinators made it a dominant priority to rein corps into a herd-mentality. In other words, twi FEARED individual thought (and questioning authority). It is far easier to rule by fear than to rule with love. At one point, they shut the corps program down with an ultimatum..... OBEY or LEAVE. Why couldn't they gather the body of corps together for an open dialogue? Why, even today, does twi give GSC the *silent treatment* after 20+ years? For the same reasons that wierwille highlighted certain verses of scripture in pfal and ignored others. He was working towards a manufactured outcome. Remember his little "story" in pfal when wierwille talks about "The sower and the seed?" And, now Maggie, wierwille asks, "What do you think the good seed represents?" And, Snowball Pete, "What do you think this good seed is?" Wierwille's point.....STOP THINKING about what you think it means and keep reading. Yet, time and again, wierwille injects his thinking into other verses as the class unfolds. It wasn't only the things twi highlighted thru the years that were relevant, but what things THEY DISMISSED and MEMORY-HOLED that spoke volumes. We came to pfal or corps training as individuals..... but graduated as a part of wierwille's "crack troops" or corps grads. Where in the scriptures does Jesus specifically call the men who followed him as "my disciples" in the possessive term? Yet, wierwille brands his corps as cattle.... "my corps." The corps letters were littered with this group-inclusive terminology. The Way International fear us. Why do they fear us? They fear we will have our own thoughts and speak up for ourselves. They fear we will become independent of their branding and no longer be subjugated to their will. They fear we will question their authority over us and relegated to the dustbin of history. They fear we will stand up for ourselves and start banding together. They fear we will become stronger and their influence will become weaker. They fear we will use our power against them as they fall further into irrelevance. They fear that we will awaken others to the deception that they perpetuate. They fear our free-thinking and tossing aside the burdens of fear and guilt. They fear that we are no longer captive to their authority. They fear we are independent. Philosopher Bertrand Russell quote (after devastation of WWI): Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth — more than ruin, more even than death. Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible; thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habits; thought is anarchic and lawless, indifferent to authority, careless of the well-tried wisdom of the ages. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid…Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man.

A limited volume of shares are also traded on the New Knoxville Stock Exchange (NKSE). Maggie Muggins, Johnny Jumpup, Henry Boloko, and Snowball Pete are licensed traders. They can help you plan for your spiritual future. To clear the confusion, I'm telling you this today. I'm not telling you this yesterday, I'm not telling you this tomorrow. I realize this isn't obvious. That's why today I'm telling you that I'm telling you today. Math! So accurate!

Continuing to look at the idea and the ignored valid criticisms, you presupposing God's intet based on an excuse Saint Vic gave you for his own impotence. Notice God didn't mention the limited measure, man did. Most of the quotes you presented were people dealing with doubt. Again, God didn't present them, people did: praying for a double measure of spirit. And grace being sufficient? Just how does that suggest a budget? No, you're not. You're trying to shoehorn a theory into a bunch of text where no such theory exists.

Man, Mike, I dont know how in the world you even come up with this stuff. I would put forth that there are millions of people doing God's will on Earth. My Lord dude...get out of wierwille land.

Oh. Like spiritual suspicion, spiritual anger and spiritual scat play? guanciale pesto carbonara

Wait...if debating with Mike on the forums is wrong because he hasnt changed in 20+ years of posting here and it clogs up the forums and all...then how in the heck is acknowlidging that he will never change inappropriate. Wait...lemme clear it up...Mike will LIKELY never get it...better?

No, but I can have my opinion based on reading a few thousand pages of his point of view. I think his own words are factual enough to form an opinion. Yeah they are like...but we all have one.

It is MYTH, not fact. Mike is exercising his imagination. I don't criticize him doing so. But it's important for readers to put it in a reasonable perspective.

But, if your "two doors" theory is true, there is as many people doing God's will as are doing Satan's will. The door opens and angels and devil spirits rush through, remember? And, lest we forget, the real reason for these 39 pages of excuses: to cover Saint Vic's impotence in Iiving up to his own standard of "signs, miracles, and wonders following the man of God like a a tail follows a dog." Mike, you remind me of the Catholic church making long exotic calculations to explain planets retrograde motion because they believed Earth was the center of the universe. Just as they refused to see the simple truth that the Earth revolved around the sun, you refuse to see the simple truth Saint Vic was a fake.

So, the clergy/leadership is expected to make a lifetime commitment to the corporation, but the corporation won’t make a lifetime commitment to the clergy/leadership? Sounds like leadership just isn’t beleeving big enough. But, Hey! God will cover. Where do I sign up?

Well, I don't want you to spend more time here. I don't have any wants for you at all. You aren't helping me. You aren't ministering to me. And I won't pretend or make believe that you are. I won't pretend Santa Claus has a side hustle breeding Easter bunnies. I won't pretend four crucified is accurate. I won't pretend victor was a THE man of god. I won't pretend a lie is the truth. I have a vivid, healthy imagination, but I won't play these pretend games.

Exploratory = involving exploration or investigation; similar = fact-finding; probing; searching; analytic. Expedition = a journey or voyage undertaken by a group of people with a particular purpose, especially that of exploration, scientific research. But in that same starter post you said you wanted to get into brainstorming = group discussion to produce ideas or solve problems. I think you should stick with brainstorming – that would be intellectually honest – because it doesn’t look like you’re conducting a fact-finding mission to find Scripture evidence…I mean you have not shown any so far…but it does appear you want help brainstorming to prove that God has a budget, there's double doors and that has something to do with the scarcity of miracles…don’t think I can help you much there – it’s like you asking me to help you prove the law of believing is real…I won't because just don’t believe in your mission...remember this great line - I have a jack but I'm not going to help you.

STOP! NO! NOT SO FAST! This will require time. Something he just doesn’t have. He’s busy. You’ve got to do whatever it takes to beleeve this. You’ve got to beleeve it until you know that you know that you know how busy he is.

We disagree. Or, I disagree with you on this. Frankly, I look at pretty much the entire bible as myth and not as literal, factual, rational "truth." So, taking some of the recorded mythology in the bible and expressing your (private) interpretation thereof is IMO, constructing additional myth.

I appreciate how you phrased it.

Is God a concept? If so, man invented God. To glove fit God into a formula, a model, is to conceptualize God, to imaginatively invent God.

Understandable. There are not enough hours in a day.

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Yes, a Pharisee-LIKE organization. Wierwille had a narcissistic personality disorder that gave him the confidence and ability to subjugate others. As a serial plagiarist, he garnered more material thru the years and tweaked much of it, ever-so-slightly, to pawn it off as "his own." From this launching pad in 1953, he began to build a following separate from his denominational church upbringing. From the church basement, the repetition of his "class" [B.G. Leonard's class] sparked a growing movement of loyal followers who would stick with him until his death. Whether one refers to this as indoctrination or mass formation psychosis.... one generation of "pfal class-loyalists" held to these foundational principles as if they were the Torah itself. Total thought reform over the individual was achieved via tactics, loaded language and group formation. This one generation held absolute devotion to wierwille's seductive ministry and many encouraged their children to enlist in the classes, camps and programs. With outreach programs and youth involvement, there were many years of explosive growth and exuberant zeal. Wierwille was a modern-day Pharisee of ritualistic beliefs that rarely deviated from a foundational background. Class formats, outreach programs, and rock of ages events never deviated in his lifetime. Wierwille was a product of religious devotion.... a Pharisee-like devotee of controlled machinations. The corps training program gave him access to live out his obsessions and lusts with impunity. Far removed from Christian ethics and morals, wierwille was able to indulge to his heart's desire in drunkenness, lasciviousness and sexual favors. It is in this isolated context that the real wierwille displayed his Pharisaic influence in a grand scale. Without this adulation pedestal, wierwille was just a dirty old grandpa. He died of cancer in an isolated wilderness from his followers. The Pharisee died in his pride, you see.

Oftentimes, if and when I get overly-critical of my involvement in this pseudo-Christian outfit that morphed into a cult.... I remind myself that God looks on the heart. He knows our longings, our desires, our inner thoughts. So, with that.... I thank Him for His grace and mercy and move on. .

barks like a cult -- that made me laugh oh my goodness did i post on here before ? years ago ? lol i think i keep coming full circle since i have no memory it's like that joke about people with alzheimers they get to meet new friends each day