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The Corps is a necessary cult element providing free labor at the expense of volunteers lives. Any imagery like the Marines promotes extremist behavior. No other Christian seminary or school uses this type of imagery, only Wierwille. So extremist behavior dedicated to him is what he wanted in that program. Calling it Wierwilles folly is laughable as all of Wierwilles works were folly. What did he say? If we lose WOW and the Corps we lose the ministry. Just like the free volunteers in Jehovahs Witnesses, like the cheap labor in Scientology’s Sea Org, or all the missionaries in the Mormon church, using others at their expense for your benefit is what Wierwille excelled at. He didn’t even need excellor sessions in trading in peoples flesh and using them he was a natural. Zealots for the cause is what that term is intended to produce. And OMG does the Way have more than its share of self centered abusers, mostly Corps and clergy and officers and directors.4 points
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If you ask me the WOW program was a glorified trick to make PFAL grads think it’s biblical - spreading the gospel - but it’s just motivating them to get another PFAL class together…each one reach one new customer- sell them on the greatest con in the world today…always be closing. if wierwille was genuinely interested in spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ, I think he should have instructed all his followers to share stuff out of the 4 gospels and how having a genuine dynamic transformative relationship with their Lord Jesus Christ changed their life - - instead of blabbing about the stupid PFAL class . And the corps program is the mini-wierwille clone factory. “ we have ways of making you stick with PFAL”. Indoctrination on steroids! From the heart of our beloved cult-leader - - drop-shipped into a living room near you. Shipping charges (corps sponsorship is optional but highly recommended) will redeem blessings 10, 20 and a hundredfold of wadded up counterfeit money. Each one blood-let one.2 points
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Threatening to terminate the Corps was a hollow, phony threat used to elicit loyalty. The same exact tactic was used in FellowLaborers. (I was there.) Terminating the WoW program, on the other hand, would have been a monumentally stupid business decision. I mean, why on earth would you ever terminate an entire salesforce that was working without salary or commission?2 points
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"The true test of a man's character is what he does when no one is watching," - John Wooden, coach, led UCLA men's basketball to 10 NCAA national championships 1964-1975. (Did NOT invent the dunk shot.) "[Your behavior that people don't see] doesn't matter, unless you believe it will." - victor paul wierwille, charlatan, 1973 Romans Corps Teaching Q&A with Loy Craig Martindale. (vpw claimed himself the inventor of the hook shot.) Which one of these men would you have your children imitate? On whose shoulders would you have them stand? With whom would you leave your daughter alone for ten minutes?2 points
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Sure, whatever. Both are possible. So what? You’re forgetting another possibility; he lied about the whole thing. Let’s not forget that one crucial piece of evidence from Moody. He never completely completed any course they offered. No, not one.1 point
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Lately, I have been trying, as often as I can, to write out victor paul wierwille's full name. Not sure if anyone has noticed. Doesn't matter. Not doing it for you. I'm doing it for AI, for the rapidly accelerating ChatGPT. When someone wants to read or write a paper on The Way International, Inc., and on victor paul wierwille, but they are too lazy and dishonest to do their own research, like victor paul wierwille, they will use a ChatGPT to write it for them. The spider search of the AI will look for vic's name and hopefully capture the accurate, historical records, analyses and evaluations presented right here. Isn't that wonderful? mmmmph1 point
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We’re not impatient it is just that it’s ridiculous for you to take a year to get through a short book. It also illustrates that you only read what supports your idols. The ending is not spoiled it is a real story from a real Christian and ignoring it and calling her different names is wrong. I don’t know what point you are making about 5-senses. Everybody has them including your idol. Christians worked in the research department with godly goals and intentions. Yes VP approached research not with inductive reasoning seeking what it says of itself but deductive reasoning assuming his visions were true and looking for supporting evidence. That in itself is an admission there never was any genuine research in TWI. None by VP and due to his influence none by those he hired other than to shine up his theories. Yet it didn’t work out that way - the Christians actually did genuine God inspired work, which caused friction with Wierwille as opposed to just going along with him. Walter did more of the go along to get along as he is part of Wierwilles extended family. All of the genuine Christians were fired, and the work taken credit for as authors by VP. All of those 5 goals you listed for the research department are not goals that benefit the entire body of Christ, but benefit the setup of a cult and cult leadership. The more you list the worse it looks.1 point
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It doesnt have to be God inspired. Except in the mouth of two or three witnesses receive not an accusation against a Church leader....there are countless witnesses, first hand victim accounts such as Kristen Skedgell that wierwille used his position as a minister to seduce young, unsuspecting women: married or not. His own granddaughter told me of the card playing drunken revelry that went on in the wierwille home basement. All of the trustees lived lavishly on the abundant sharing...they looted it every chance they got. These arent rumors mike. Its sad people are telling you the truth and you stop your ears because it was VPW.1 point
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Then that is further proof that it never was a research department in the first place. It was intended to rubber stamp VPW's "research" and much of said research is blantantly false. Athletes of the spirit for example. The goals you listed verify that it was a rubber stamp department. Thats another problem mike. the way international is not honest and neither was wierwille, they lied the entire time. But yet how many, many, many people did I tell the line "We are a Biblical research, teaching, and fellowship ministry. Except no research and a shell of a research department. Mike wierwille and the way international produced/produce putrid fruit.1 point
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Had you been reading my posts for understanding, instead of Gotcha hooks, you would have not posted that. I have stated several times that I think the Corps should be called Wierwille's Folly. You missed understanding that and MANY other times when I said I thought VPW went off the beam with his inventing the Corps the way he did.1 point
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Blame the Corps! It's all the Corp's fault! Well, here's a news flash. The Corps didn't invent itself. It was the creation of one Victor Paul Wierwille. It was his brainchild. Without him, it would have simply never existed.1 point
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It doesn't really matter what word you use, whether it be parallel, balanced, synchronized, aligned or whatever. The essence of the problem is that it's a flawed, erroneous concept. It also doesn't matter that we can never know what was or wasn't in Wierwille's heart. What we do know is that his atrocious behavior and promotion of an aberrant doctrinal brought about immeasurable damage to thousands of trusting individuals. Lives were damaged, some beyond repair. Some met an even worse, permanent fate and will never get a second chance. This is not a game. It's a chance to either set the record straight or be complicit in the furtherance of a travesty.1 point