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Probably is NOT "the Bible is the revealed word and will of God" as so pronounced by VPW. (And that probably wasn't *his* original thought anyway.) Instead, I'd venture to suggest that it's simply "God loves YOU." In my work out on the streets with homeless people and with young pleasure seekers, it is truly astonishing how many don't know this. And they may have been going to church for years, decades. God loves each and every one of us. May not love what we do, but loves us nonetheless. What would you say is the greatest secret in the world today?

And if some demagogic moron is trying to sell access to such a secret, it's a good bet that person wants to establish a cult. Here's my guess, but I'm not trying to SELL access to it, My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, 2 turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding— 3 indeed, if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, 4 and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, 5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God. 6 For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Well, the claim that "the Bible is the revealed word and will of God " is not a secret. A secret isn't merely information unknown, it's information intentionally concealed. Billions of Christians have proclaimed this idea to whomever would listen (or could be cornered) over the centuries. Hardly a secret. Whether or not one beleeeves the Bible to be the revealed word and will of God has no bearing whatsoever on this idea being a secret. Victor paul wierwille's regurgitation of this traditional theological premise contradicts what he "wrote" in PFAL. "No Bible translation nor version of the Bible is the word... the Bible is not the word..." (paraphrasing from page something something). Someone, please correct me if I got this wrong. ----- If there is a great secret, Love has something to do with it, I suspect. But I wouldn't venture to claim to know the greatest secret in the world today. If I did assert such a claim, I would advise you NOT to beleeeve me.

You forgot to ask stretched or unstretched?

After reading this I think I certainly am influenced by people baiting me into arguing for the last word. I do feel the dual nature of answering a fool according to his folly or not. I think most of us are “winning” by living well free of the clutches of TWI. That shouldn’t be happening by their explanation we should be experiencing all sorts of consequences from leaving “da ministry that taught us da verd”. We should all be greasespots at midnight. But we aren’t.