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Sad. Your definition of love is some regurgitated wierwille stuff...a man who knew so much about love he was a serial adulterer, sexual predator and his wife is quoted as saying at his graveside that "he was a mean man". Your just repeating what youve heard with little depth there mike. Sad really.

When I read your post, I felt like I did so many months ago when reading the Absent Christ thread - wanting to learn and grow and know Christ more. Separating the verses in Deut 6 that speak of obeying God from the one that speaks of loving God got me thinking about some things and questioning others. I'm still working it. One thing I thought of was the lawyer who asked Jesus which was the great commandment in the law merely for the purpose of tempting Jesus. Jesus knew how self-righteous the Pharisees believed themselves to be by "obeying" the commandments; yet he also knew that they did not love God in their hearts. He pointed out their hypocrisy by quoting verse 5 in Deut 6 and naming it the first and great commandment - meaning greater than all of Yahweh's laws which they were gloating about keeping. (Reminds me about faith, hope and charity abiding, but the greatest of these being charity.) To me, this is Bibliolatry - exalting a knowledge of scripture above a desire to have charity as it is defined in 1 Cor 13:4-7. Doing so makes the person a nothing with no spiritual profit gained whatsoever. Finally, your last paragraph is why I started the thread about love and what it is. "To love completely is to know Christ" is very inspiring as is reading 1 John to understand more about the love of God. Great post - thanks!

Superstar!!!

MIKE "When Jesus cited the greatest commandment, he was quoting from a most pivotal and important scripture for his audience. Deut 6:1-12" Indeed, the reference is to Deut 6:5, not this whole passage. This one verse is a distinct commandment to Israel among several in this section. Obey all of Yahweh's laws without exception or else. Obey and get prosperous. Love Yahweh with all your heart, soul and strength. Put those two commandments on your heart, let them permeate every facet of your life. Don't forget Yahweh when you take possession of land and resources developed by others. "Paraphrasing: You love God by loving His words and saturating your life with them." Nope. That's not a paraphrase. It's not EVEN a paraphrase. "And a little followup for us Christians with: 1 John 5:1-3 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome..." If you love God, you love his children; to love the Son is to love the Father. To keep the commandments of the Father is to keep the commandments of the Son. There are two great ones and they are like each other. Neighbors are involved, not just fellow believers. So much of this epistle is about what it means to know Jesus the Christ and to keep his commandments to love one another. To love completely is to know Christ. This will manifest in righteousness. Except He didn't. He just didn't. Don't take my word for it. Read it for yourself. Hey, I didn't write the book! To assert such a fantasy is tantamount to victor's scatological play with the mouth of God.

He's determined to make scripture fit into the teaching and terminology of the collaterals which have vp's name on than the other way round. It's a blatant way to trash the verses that describe what a true servant of Christ is to be.

Entreating people to embrace the words of a con man? Could that be more loving?

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Must have been God's will.

Speaking of illiteracy, Mike seems to think the reading ability back in Deuteronomy days was equal to contemporary times. How else would the Jews copy passages from the scrolls and hang them in their homes? How else would they become "bible freaks"? Mike, there wasn't a bible on public display until it was well into book form, sometime way After the Common Era. So how were they able to be "bible freaks" with no bible to freak with? Also, Mike, note that your Deuteronomy quote does not say "saturate your life with God's words", it too, like John, says "Keep his commandments." The difference? Your private interpretation requests memorization. Keeping his commandments requires behavior. For example, Saint Vic may have memorized a lot of the bible, but he was lousy about keeping his commandments.

Love is what makes Subaru a Subaru.

Oh, the shivering he does is so sad. But that's how trauma affects our minds and bodies as well. And you're right about the power of love - it took his fears away and brought healing to his cute, cuddly little body.

When? 1000 B.C.? 700 B.C.? 300 B.C? 200 B.C.? Who are they? Who is making copies? I would love to read more about this. What is your source for this claim?

Oh yeah...and he reminded us that hes a grease spot superstar with so many followers to respond to ....

Which he went and actually did.

Isn't that circular "reasoning?"

You lend him your collaterals. Duh.

Another flaw in your retconning of biblical history: Not everyone in Deuteronomy had access to the sacred scrolls, so how could they become "bible freaks"?

Alas... Mike's "reasoning?"

Way to go, now hes gonna read it to say I told ya so....jk mike....

And yes Rocky, I know Mike won't read my post - but I enjoyed writing it.

Dude, your mind was made up before you started. If anyone wants to make further fools of themselves by posting Saint Vic apologetics on an anti-Way site, have at it.

The answer is not. Cue the Price Is Right trumpets. Nobody painted themselves into a corner. You failed to answer Waysider's question. Where did Jesus say anything in your response? How many administrations removed is your answer from Jesus' time? Being natural men, I can see why they had to display love in that manner, however we have spirit. Note John said keep his commandments, not saturating your life with God's words. So, by your reasoning, I have to assume Saint Vic didn't love God, as how many of his commandments did he repeatedly break? Second, Zen Buddhist would say, "Don't confuse the moon with the finger pointing at it." What's that mean? A modern day translation would be "The map is not the territory." Still not getting it? Get a map of Florida and put it on the floor unfolded. Now stand on Miami. Are you in Miami? (Those who live in Miami and are visiting don't count.) A map is what we use to find our way around. The with the bible, it helps us find our way around God. It's not God. Just as Robert B. Parker is so much more than the Spenser novels, God is so much more then the bible. A Way mantra is "The Word, The Word, and nothing but the Word", not "God, God, and nothing but God." So, what are they worshipping? Does that "nothing but" mean nothing, not even God?

Of course it is...you were asked relevant questions that you couldn't answer, so you became critical and now your shutting down. I've dealt with the same issues and it's from cult related damage....you should look into it.

Gloating in an assumed victory? Your true colors are showing. Nobody's even painting.