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I had a pretty bad drinking problem when I was with TWI, I tried several things to get a handle on it but to no avail. I did have a Limb coordinator even suggest that I go to AA. After leaving TWI I still struggled with it off and on for quite a while, I tried marijuana maintenance for several years which helped to curb my drinking and my life was certainly better than it was with drinking but I never really dealt with the things necessary for my emotional and spiritual well being. It also conflicted with my job because of random drug testing which was a major source of stress so eventually I ended up drinking again and that is when things really got bad. I ended up with a divorce and my life spiraled out of control for several years. I was looking at a prison sentence and numerous other legal entanglements, so I ended up in rehab. I had totally given up at this point and figured I was just going to die this way. But for some reason (God most likely) I decided to give it a shot and do the 12 step thing. I by no stretch of the imagination did it perfectly, I did about everything wrong as far as what others would recommend but apparently did a few things right. I cleared out a lot of my wreckage of my past and learned to forgive myself and others. I learned what humility really meant. I give a lot of credit of where I am today because of AA and the 12 step program and see nothing wrong with it from a biblical perspective, there are many principles in it that go right along with things that I have learned even in TWI. But a person has to give it a chance and not look at all the things wrong with it, the people in it are pretty messed up so they have plenty of flaws. But if a person is really seeking a relationship with God then it can certainly work for them.

LCM going off about a program not created by TWI? No way. When did the two drink limit begin? Covering for VPW's legacy or saving money? Out of fellowship began at that next sip after two drinks, not on drunkenness. That's where the Adversary gets his foot in your "door".

I don't think it's an example of that- I think it's en example of something else. I don't think twi is alone in trying to recapture "the glory years", especially as they're remembered but not as they actually were.

Thanks, the program basically saved my life. I am certain I would have been dead or locked up for good by now had I not taken that path. I know others who have used church or something of the sort to clean up but in my case it wasn't working. I tried about everything else.

thanks for sharing your story, damurf ! very inspiring for this New Year's Day.

I kind of relate to Mike in some ways, as I was pro-pfal at some point in my life. I could have a conversation if he wants to talk.

I referred to this subject elsewhere, so thought I'd bump it up. It's a great thread with some really good advice. Here's a link to something I found more recently. Celebrate Recovery's 12 Steps This is a link to the book that I referenced in the opening post: Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps: Amazon.co.uk: Rohr, Richard: 8580001051727: Books

WOW, this is allowed... so far so good. I had Covid-19 around the end of July... was sick for about a week with all the symptoms (very tired, fever, coughing, loss of taste and smell) stayed home and recovered naturally. Couple of wks later went to the Dr. who suggested that I get a Covid-19 antibody blood test, which I did, and it came back positive. I had antibodies but was told sometime later that there is a "quantatative" antibody test that shows a numeral value.. which is something I'd like to get soon. Right now I've got natural God-given antibodies, so whether or not the vaccine is safe, I don't need to get one. I do continue to take high doses of Vitamin D (10,000 a day) plus Vitamin C, zinc and Ivermectin once a wk for maintenance. This regimen works for me and would be interested to know how folks here are doing.

I left in December 2002. March 2003 would have been my official 20 year anniversary. Darn, if I could have hung in for a little longer, I could have gotten a spayshul paper from the bod recognizing my faithfulness. NOT!!!!!! The amount of way brain I have dumped and the amount of peacefulness I have gained in the last 11 1/2 months (1 year anniversary is the first week of December for being OUT!!) have been the best thing I ever did for myself. Glad I'm NottaWayfer!!! Laughter is a tranquilizer with no side effects. [This message was edited by Wayfer Not! on November 08, 2003 at 18:47.]