sirguessalot

Nothing like a little salt on the teeth, huh? ((((CW))))) Boy oh boy. I really am letting it fly, aint I? Good thing I'll probably only regret it for a very short time. ;)-->

btw - I hope y'all see that I am not talking about gender of the flesh. There is a difference. But divine roles. A pure one...and the diversity surrounding it. :)--> Peace

What? I post that I think the holy spirit is female, and no one even flinches? I was at least hoping that someone would ask me to clarify, rather than just pretend I never posted. I am ex-way, like all of you, and I still love Christ and the Bible. I would prefer a good accusation of blasphemy anyday. At least I can answer for myself on that one. So here it goes... This thread is about the role of the holy spirit, right? Well...was it not the Spirit of God (not God the father) that "brooded" over creation in Genesis 1:2? Who "broods" over eggs? The rooster? Talk about scripture being specific with roles! In the end of the Book of Revelation, what gender is the new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven? One of Christ's main goals was to restore the bride. To fix she that Adam had broken. He seemed a bit more concerned about that than sword-fighting. He dealt with woman's issues like a true prince of peace. IMO, this blindspot of Christianity (certainly not Christianity's scripture, though) epitomizes what went wrong in TWI. A masculine-only cosmology. Talk about the depth of homo-sex? A male-only club of cosmology. Even all the angels are usually perceived as guys. VPW was such an ignorant horn-dog, he even got spiritual conception and spiritual birth confused. He confused his own personal moments of bliss with ascending to heaven, not knowing about the pain and transformation only a woman can endure to bring forth life. What about spiritual life? Who was made the mother of all living (including Adam)? Why was she called that? When things were being made, was Adam made to complete her, or was she made to complete Adam? I guess the only reason I don't just go away from here after such a snub, is because I am a little confused as to why no one even wants to consider the idea. Is it that dangerous? Why has the idea of feminine divinity become so anathema? All through the scripture, the devil is a man of war who seeks to conquer and control and possess, especially her and her children. Is it that hard to see? Scripture after scripture addresses the importance of the female role. The masculine only mind pretty much thinks like a sperm cell. Win win win win...and conquer. Progress for progress's sake. Like ants. But the feminine mind thinks more like Christ (or rather, Christ thought more like the feminine mind). Healer. Teacher of children. You would give your life to save the children. Would even forgive an abusive husband time after time after time. Look. The father plants a seed and heez done. The mother is who nurtures the babe, not only through 9 months of gestation, but through til maturity. Is God's will on earth as it is in heaven, or not? Jesus used real examples of human biology to express spiritual truths, right? Faith is like a mustard seed. Have the faith of God. God is small, like a mustard seed. Like faith itself. Right? Big deal. Why not? If He is so powerful, why does he have to be some giant thing? We are all gods, after all. Made in his image. God in Christ within us, yada yada. The primary nature of fatherhood is a seed, like a star. And the mother is the light of the star - the spirit of the father. The reflection of man is woman. Father cannot see himself without her. The reflection of God is his holy spirit. The father is simple and pure. The mother is complex and diverse and spans the universe like all the noble gases that stars feed on. She is huge, like a vast city reflecting the light and sound of God. And she is the mother of all living, just like air (spirit) feeds the flame (God). IMO, none of us were "born again" in TWI, according to scriptural standards. The point a soul leaves the nurturing care of the holy spirit is when he can make his body vanish into thin air, like Jesus and his students did. Beings of light. Fully born and mature, having been born from death (which means your soul really has to die before you are born again - no figure of speech). That is the point of Christlike maturity, IMO. Full metamorphosis. And angels do NOT marry, because they are both genders in harmony. The ambidextrous mind, like Leonardo Da Vinci. But we here, are a looooong way from that. ok. I'm done. ;)--> btw - good points about the timing and importance of the gospels, Golfie. And the stuff about surrendering to spirit, rather than operating it. It reminds me of how a baby is better off when it stops striving against the spirit (mom). Just find the milk and relax. No wonder Paul considered himself a nursemaid of the spirit. :)-->

Good topic. :)--> Sumtimes ya just gotta ask yerself... Ok, Jesus promised a birth of understanding. And he promised that a comforter would come after this birth. So, when we are born, whose arms does the midwife deliver us into? To guide us. To teach us. To nurture us. About love? About life? So, what is the nature of this comforter? What is this logos (form) of wisdom? What does Proverbs say about its form? Does not the holy spirit descend like a dove? Like a new cloak, once the old bloody one is no longer needed? Form and function go hand in hand, it seems. And whom does the dragon always seek to remove from their place in the heavens? Among the moons, suns, and stars? ;)-->

You too, E. And me too, too. ;)--> But when things change, it helps to know that weer all gonna know each other forever...ya know? All of us. And no more tears. :)-->

((((Dot)))) What I mean is, I can't post here forever. The GSC has been an important crossroads for me. But I have other things I have to do. If I could impress anything to ex-way, I wish for the women of this forum to continue rise above in that wisdom and love that comes naturally to them. So the exiles and vagabonds coming out of the way have a crossroads, too. Word-aholic taskmasters leave long welts that need to be healed. And teach your children to respect all of life, especially those who will to heal. We need healers and lovers more than any other kind. Men, just get this. If nothing else. VPW epitomized the mark of the beast. Possession consumes those who think they possess. In the end, we own nothing. We control nothing. Especially the church. God the father is like an eternal child, who delights in riddles and games. So read outside the Bible. Carry it in your mind like a cornerstone, but build on it. Build her. God has spoken to all races and beings since the dawn of time. Learn to speak in another tongue. Learn some new names. Be wise as serpents, but harmless as doves. Easy to remember. Kit, I think you are onto something wonderful. And a Christlike man is easy to spot. He bears nothing but good fruit. And he ALWAYS treats her like a queen. :)-->

Space Race Once again, we've got all the little kings of the world all racing to the moon, for gain, possession, control and dominance. Even if it takes everything they got getting there. Maybe the moon is red, after all. :)--> Reminds me of a slide show in sex-education class... ...Chapter one. I just hope the one with the good "genes" in its head makes it first. :)-->

The holy spirit is a she. As is divine wisdom (as seperate from the Word). Like a new cloak of thought over our minds, washed of blood (of the first, carnivorous mind). She is a new city from above. Like a goddess of wisdom. Within each of us are both genders. Of both soul and spirit. But we are only one gender in the flesh, in this life. Gives "blasphemy against the holy spirit" new meaning. Mary and child imagery too. Eve was made into the mother of all living (including Adam, whom she came from). Mother is lifegiver, teacher, nurturer. A man plus. The complete mind is both male and female. Male-alone mind is homo cabal (includng women who think like men - Condoleeza Rice). Female alone mind is in trouble too. Especially when it placed below the male mind. Like a harlot - using feminine energy to play the man's game. The feminine mind was made to elevate the man. We are complete in Christ because Christ knew this and lived this way. He was a safe man. Opposite of guys like VP and Bush. Jesus knew what had to be restored, even if it took thousands of years to accomplish it. And he aint done yet. Nor are his apostles or followers. The feminine often submits to the masculine like a mother sumbits to her child. But language kinda falls apart from here. Cuz, at the same times, the masculine mind was to be the trustworthy father of a daughter. The mind of a man who can be trusted with his very thoughts around little girls and budding women. This too, is the mind of Christ. Manifesting the father, God. Mother/Son Father/Daughter Bride/Groom The story of Genesis takes place within our souls. And yes, its about sex. Of thought and intent and will. No, angels do not marry. And yes, Adam and Eve were one flesh, literally. Like two vines in a garden of DNA. :)--> The book of revelation illustrates all this well. The moon at her feet, clothed with the sun, the stars at her head. Like she is standing in heaven, outside of the earth's atmosphere, above even where the top of Satan's throne is. Satan = the masculine mind, alone, in our heads. Like Adam without Eve. Be it a man or woman who think this way. No healing. No peace. No rest. Its all work work work and win win win and go go go. Like the mind of a sperm cell. The white horse is the first to ride and conquer. No other thought in its mind. The lowest of the lower 3 churches. The moon is the fourth (and at her feet). And a red moon means sooooo many things. A fertile mom, for one. Paul was a spiritual widwife. And his famous epistles were to those who were not fully born again. Because they still wrestled with the spirit of the prince of the power of the air. He kept the "meat" of the word from them, even the Ephesians. ... Mind you, I am talking about men and women, here. But the mind of Adam (alone), and the mind of Eve (alone), and the mind of Christ (together, where the enmity is removed, and equilibrium is restored). And finding this equilibrium is where the new birth begins, not ends. We dont get born again then renew our minds. We are transformed by the renewing of our minds, which results in the birth of a new understanding. :)--> I understand the headache too, Dot. When God said my spirit (she) will not always strive with man. Because Christ will teach the mind of men to stop striving with the spirit (her). Who knows, maybe eve's mistake was letting adam eat the fruit (whatever it was ;)-->). As a mother, she could handle death and re-birth. But even then, it was all part of the plan. The fall. Death and rebirth. Adam was afraid of it. Eve was not. OK, nuff from me. I gotta go pick my wife and my cousin up from a woman's retreat. Sweat lodge ceremony, vision quest, some kiatsu massage therapy. Little old white haired lady taught by Comanche/Arapahoe, with a bit of the far east thrown in. And I've probably walked way over the bounds, even for ex-way. Don't worry, I probably won't be around much longer. Bottom line - sexuallity IS spiritual. Has been from the beginning, at the heart of it. But sex of the flesh is just where the soul manifests its will, not begins. God the father said...creative energy. Pure positive. Always ON. ...but the spirit "brooded" in Genesis. Wisdom, guidance, understanding. Let us make man in "our" own image? Male and female created he them. :)-->

Beautiful, Kit! Oh that God had more sons like Christ, For the bride's sake, most of all. :)--> :)--> :)-->

A few thoughts on 666 and the Book of Revelation. IMO... They are mysteries and riddles. They are foundational to the epistles. The whole book has been fulfulled already, more than once. Brahmic wisdom taught by someone who fulfilled it. The book is discerning of spirits. 666? Old news. Not a big deal. Its just a revelation of wisdom. For starters... How many numbers in your life evaluate/identify you to the civil corporate beast? What role do numbers play in determining your civic worth? Big numbers or little numbers, which do you prefer? Could you live without them? The 666 factor has been alive and well and active since the revelation was written down. Not a new thing to come along as a sign. But it is a sign when you begin to understand it and see how it has been working since the beginning of the age. 6 alone is a beast. Not natural, harmonious, diverse, like 5 - beasts of the field. And not 7, which is aware. But a man who acts like an animal. A man, with the liberties and abilities of a man, who is worse than an animal because his abilites and desires and passions are not checked. A bottomless pit of an appetite. Progress for progress's sake. Like worker ants. Like a virus that sees no reason to restain its feeding and building. It has no mind to stop and be still. Be it a person, or an entire multi-national civilization, or a multi-headed corporate entity. 666 = Family/household-unit worship. Family is more important than anything - me, myself and mine. Tragedy of the commons. And we join house to house to house so that there is no room for the vagabond or wanderer. Buy it all and cover it in concrete. Some say "property ownership is the epitomy of liberty." A hundred houses in a row and everyone has the same long list of **** in their garage. And we fear our neighbor. ? Jesus and his students had some radical ideas when it comes to $$$ and property and possessions. Too radical for our civic myth. The parable of the widow's mite anyone? Scary words for most of us. IMO, the modern industrial machine is a smoke-belching beast that lines numbered people in factories to pump out an endless stream of useless things. Mordor with a numb smile. ... Inner man = inner anthropos. Inner human. The book of revelation reveals the inner human. 7 = discerning of spirits, which is an eye to discern the inner man. Particularly one's own. All 7 layers of it. Like the key of David. Unlocks that door. It confirms how the teachings of Melchizadek have long ago "made it over the world." But things like astrology taboos will keep ya from understanding the book. As will fearing the kings of the east. Sexuality is a biggie too. Maybe the biggest yoke of them all. Talk about a little brick to build with!?! Or trip over, Or throw... It reveals specific stages, signs, steps and clues. Like Jacob's ladder. I may myself take a stab at writing a book someday on the subject. But maybe not. I could start today, but there is too much to learn still. I know I am still a fool. And I know its not THE bread. But MY bread. Nothing more, nothing less. There are many other teachers out there. But the first temptation of Christ is for us, too. If we want to follow him. When it comes to this book: its just like before, the outward seeking mind looks at the book of revelation and looks for outward signs in the earth. But the outward fulfillment of THE revelation is secondary to the inward. As all of man progresses through stages together... Birds of a feather flock together. Minds like blades of grass all leaning in the same wind. Though many have already fulfilled the book for themselves in this age. The apostles. Other disciples. And others. In fact, we are all in the process of fulfilling it, all the time. The inward mind looks at the book of revelation and sees the inward man. Because that is how Jesus entered heaven. The inward path of Oneness. Or he would not have been able to commit suicide like that. Babylon comes tumbling down in your own mind. This is a witness of the spirit. The rushing mighty wind and tongues like as of fire. The languages of the world's schools of thought flow together. VP was wrong - it was understanding that was broken in Eden, not spirit. The revelation of Christ is the understanding that bridges the gap again. The book of Revelation helps restore that Adamic understanding. And adds a few ages worth of lessons to it. Ezekial only saw the 4 faces. Christ finished the story, and those 4 faces show up in his ultimate revelation. I read that Martin Luther thought it should be removed from the Bible. I can't say I blame him. Its too occultic for the synagogues. We have to become SMALL to pass through the eye of the needle. A big man's hole in the wall becomes a tiny man's picture window. ;)--> For what its worth... I am open to some interrogation and insults. :D--> And to beat some to the punch: I know I may have mispoken or spoken too vaguely. Oh well. There are common dumbnesses. This is mine. And you know me. Its just frat house poetry. :)--> [This message was edited by sirguessalot on January 17, 2004 at 15:04.]

:)--> :)--> :)--> TOo keWl. And all that with an alphabet of only 4 letters! Talk about a tongue on an angel!

Mike, my compliment to you was for the slick CYA. Sorry for the confusion. It seems clear to me that many of us still haven't learned what we needed to from those kinds of incidents.

Nice reiteration, Mike. In a nutshell or out. ;)--> Sing it sister Karmic!

BTW - Thank you, Pat, for starting this thread. The responses are all wonder-full. Gotta love the subject, I guess. ;)--> May I add. I think its often easier to Love God on accident than it is to carve it into wood or stone. We've all been doing it, in pieces, all our lives, even in those little ways Dot mentioned. Not a bird falls to the ground without God's attention. Although the complete love is what we seek. Even if it takes all our lives. Something to bind it all together, including ourselves. Expressed Love is only omni-anything to the degree we can leave ourselves behind without pain or fear and walk in our brother's and sister's shoes. Addiction to me-first is the opposite of love, because true self is the reward of love. Love is first a poem, then a science. Love cannot be hidden, destroyed, protected. And obviously, there are no limits to the ways of expressing it. Or understanding it. Or being nourished by it. Or avoiding it. :)-->

Pathetic shadow? Or beautiful seed? (I know, english sucks sometimes).

True love sweeps you away. Overwhelms you. Transforms you. Wonderfully. If we have never had it, we may not know what it is. But we know for F-ing sure what it isn't. And that we don't have it. And being burned on love is the worst burn there is. And this includes the love of God. Our resistance to true love IS the struggle with the devil. Our efforts to control love, and capture love, possess love, can be a strangling vine. No fruit. When we stop reaching for love, the devil has won. When we reach love, "the devil" is dethroned, and transformed. To truly "let go and let God" is painful for those without love. And we truly possess nothing of ourselves anyway. Not an atom of it. That which we think we possess, in fact possesses us. Like a kid with a porno mag who thinks he is in control of "her." So, once again, loves sweeps us away. Even if its love for paper/wood products. ;)--> But God never goes away or stops twinkling or stops humming that tune. Oh yeah...how do I do the first? I rarely keep the first commandment myself. But when I do, I seem to have to do it differently every time. :D--> Oops. People. I'm posting from the gallery. I gotta go. Love, Todd [This message was edited by sirguessalot on January 13, 2004 at 13:24.]

I'll say this... It seems like a lotta new and improved sins have gone down since this Jesus dude cleaned the slate last time. Most of which, have not been atoned for. Not in the name of Christ. Not even with bull's blood. And isn't it obvious? The sins of these two MOG clowns have already came back to haunt them, almost the moment they committed them. One is dead, so its too late for him to find atonement, but the stings of the sins and evil spirits of the other's doings still follow him wherever he goes. Like stink on ****. Only fools mock the divine. :P-->

Ah! The flute player! Hello, Karmic! I will be in Tucson for an art show on the weekend of the 25th. I'll email ya. Maybe we can find room for a coffee? Hi, Roy Hey Song, re: the field mouse, are you talking about information as in from an alphabet of only 4 letters? ;)-->

What language? Hi, Song!

OK. This thread chugs along for about a week, adding about a page a day. Hot topic...all that. I luv the subject. Then I post a few thoughts, and hear crickets for a night and a day. Was it that bad? Do I sound like an a$$ or sumthing? Is it B.O.? Is there a booger on my face? --> :P-->

Ya know? It turned out pretty cool though. I actually went home and made a list and dated all the single women in the area in the following months. We had a lot of fun. It was Vegas. About half of them were from my own mom's generation. I only went as far as making out with one of them. So, as far as I know, I pretty much failed in my "mission." Almost all of those women have left vp's ministry. Who knows, maybe I succeeded somehow after all? :)-->

Sad, yes. A sad story ends, and we understand sadness. But another story begins. May we understand gladness again. All of us.

How bout a chocolate Christ, then? Break it with some wine? :D--> IMO, the entire TWI experience was about sexual abuse. Of the flesh and of the mind. Of self and of others. Nothing new, really. A ministry founded upon conquest and possession of so many things.

Is it chocolate? :)-->:D-->:P-->

Nice thot, Song. Language is funny, idnt it?. On the word/off the word reminds me of how TWI taught us to view the shape of God through a tiny hole. Reminds me of Porkies. If yer eye was ON the word/hole, you "saw the light." If yer eye was OFF the word/hole, you were "in darkness." Tools and all that. :D-->