Nottawayfer

I'd rather be "possessed" outside the walls of TWI than brainwashed inside their walls any day.

(((((((Oakspear))))))) So glad to hear your success story! There is so much life to live after the cult.

It is similar to Scientology. You spend more and more money to become "enlightened".

The internet is great that way. My husband says I should become a private detective because of my internet capabilities. On another subject: I work for an elected official. We had a disgruntled ex-employee run against my boss in the last election. I found stuff on the internet about this guy. It was juicy stuff. I found lawsuits, and I linked this guy to the maker of "Deep Throat", the infamous porn from the 70s.

I feel I need to clarify this question wasn't meant for every person who ever went in to the WC. It's directed toward the woman who gave up her parental rights to do it. I can't imagine a mother thinking that is OK. That's over-the-top craziness IMHO.

I found the link about her first husband's suicide: Driven to Suicide This story gives me the creeps. It's incredibly sad and just really shows you the seared conscience people had to have. I have to mention my own experience with Ramona's comments to me about her first husband. I never knew he committed suicide when I was on Staff. She spoke of him as if he copped out of the Word and left her. Sick.....

For those who are new around here, let's not forget Ramona's first husband. May he rest in peace. That story is tragic, and I wish I could find it on here.

The Way Corps program is the biggest reason TWI is a cult IMHO. It was like the WC was a secret club. If you weren't in it, you weren't special enough to know what the WC knew. I never understood that. I knew one woman who divorced with two kids and gave up her parental rights to her husband so she could be WC. It was her dream. She even had a wonderful guy who really wanted to marry her before she went in the WC, and she dumped him because she wanted to be Corps and he didn't have that goal. Now she can't get married without giving up her beloved Corps status. I just want to ask: WHY??????? It doesn't seem worth it at all. The WC was just a status in TWI. Don't get me wrong; I know this doesn't apply to every person who was WC. I know plenty of people who went in for the right reason. They had wonderful hearts to serve. But I also know many who came out bummed because they couldn't make the impact they wanted because they are stifled by top leader$h!t.

When I first left HQ back out to the field, it took awhile (3 months) for me to find a job in my field. I was getting antsy, and I wanted to wait tables because my roommate, another wayfer who went to a different fellow$h!t, was doing it and making great money. My Nazi FC told me it would be best for me to do it because it would interfere with fellowship. Yet this person was giving me the worst time about getting a job. She wanted me to accept a job making less than I knew I could make.

Are you serious? It's Donna M, Ramona B*don, and Rosalez.

Getting back to the subject of how hard it is for people to get rid of TWIt doctrine. My mom hasn't been to a fellowship since 1985. She still has wayspeak in her vocabulary. My sister and I both start gagging when she says "Let's believe for...." "Believe" all you want, say it "in the name of Jesus Christ" to seal the "deal" with God, and that's the magic potion to get your heart's desire. BARF-O-RAMA!!

Welcome Balanced! This can be a place of healing. There's something to be said about being in a place where people shared the same experiences. It povides light on certain situations which left you scratching your head while in TWI. Definitely don't feel pressured to share more than what makes you comfortable. We all go through certain stages after leaving TWI. I think everyone here understands that. If I might suggest something. There's Greasespot Radio. If you haven't listened to anything yet, I suggest you listen to the interview with Belle. It really gives some perspective on current leadership's actions in TWI and the lengths they go to in "catching" people instead of letting people live their lives. Other interviews which made my jaw drop were the one with "Cutting through the Fog" and "Losing the Way". Even though these things happened longer times ago, it helped me understand the abuse was there the whole time even though I thought I was in God's ministry during that time. I guess I'm thankful God protected me from that crap, but there were a lot of questions which went unanswered for a long time. These interviews cleared up a lot of those questions. It's a great change to know God looks at your heart and still loves you no matter where you do or don't hang your hat for church.

The something better out there is different for each individual. Getting out of the thinking that there's only one place with truth is one mojo which took me a long time to get over. I spent two years going to church. None were good enough for me because I still had a major case of WAY BRAIN. Now I laugh at what the old me would think about what the new me finds enjoyable and acceptable in life. I turned in to a heathen, and I'm proud of it. I never gave up on God though.

Thankfully I live in a town not good enough for Wayfers to witness in. :)

My sister bought me a cross necklace for Christmas one year. I wear it, and I don't believe it's a dog whistle to devil spirits. That belief in itself shows what a CULT TWI was/is/and always will be.

Sharing a room was a major invasion of my privacy. But I was doing it for God, or so I thought. When I found out the next year they didn't have enough rooms to give 2nd year staff their own room and the cut off was at 35, I was even more PI$$ED. I went on Staff in 1996. That was the year they accepted more ADV Class grads for Staff than they had in previous years. Many stayed, so the individual rooms were scarce. I was literally months away from being 35. But again, it was for God, or so I thought. I consider it a learning lesson now. NEVER let anyone have that much control over your life. Allowing someone to tell you where to live is crap....NEVER again!!

This is the most valuable part of learning about real abundance. We lived far below abundant at Headquarters. I was on Staff for 5 years, and I had credit card debt. I didn't get kicked in the arse by the adversary either. I paid it off when I got a REAL job, making abundant MONEY!!

I've had dreams about getting reassigned a new room in Founders Hall. The odd thing is I was on Staff again, but I knew I left TWI in my dream. Yet I didn't tell anyone there. There were no elevators or stairs. Everyone had to squeeze through very tight openings to go down to the next floor. In my dream, it was winter and I was wearing a very bulky wool coat. I remember being stressed about squeezing in to the opening to get down. I don't know how we went up a floor. It was a dream. I remember the feeling of discomfort and wanting out. I also remember sharing a room with my old FH roommate. We were grown, divorced women who had to share a room two years in a row. I'm still ....ed about that.

I buy lottery tickets once in awhile. I play the roulette wheel once in awhile because I think it's fun.

Hay Ham! What is a Unitarian Universalist church like? I'd try one, but there aren't any in this backward town I live in.

I don't remember my password. Thankfully, I have it saved and can come in and post at home. I can't anywhere else because I can't remember my password. I tried the "forgot password" function, but I didn't get any. I don't get emails when people private message me anymore either. I checked my options to be sure I have them set correctly, and I do. I will add greasespot@gmail.com to my address book to see if it works.

Rozilla chewed my arse over something really minute. I got a really good taste of her nastiness, and I figured out very quickly why I never cared for her.

I'm so sorry to hear of Rum's passing. ((((((Dooj and Rum's Family)))))

I don't give Craig Martinfail a pass. I know someone who spoke to him in the last few years. He doesn't believe he did anything wrong. That is the epitome of a conscience seared with a hot iron. He is a complete jack@$$ who knew what he was doing was wrong. He practiced error enough, he made it his doctrine. Ironically, his very words "Practical error always leads to doctrinal error!!" helpe to led me outside the walls of TWI. I didn't trust the doctrine of adulterers anymore.

The hugest wake up call for me was coming to GSC and finding out the sexual predatory stuff was in TWI from the very beginning. The other was finding out VPW died of cancer. I was in TWI at the time he died, and it was not common knowledge. Even when I went on Staff 11 years after his death, it wasn't talked about. Howard still sang his praises saying he let his eyes become damaged for the filming of PFAL. The personal thing which happened to me was the final straw. I already had one foot out the door after attending the pukish "Advanced" (yeah right) Class Special is 2002. That was the biggest waste of my time. I had moved from a roommate situation to my own apartment. I was on "watach" by leadership because I didn't get their permission to move. I moved to another Branch, so I was considered rebellious. I was lied to by one leader who told me to wait to ask for help moving because she didn't want the LC to be off guard about my move. She was supposed to tell him. She never gave me the OK to ask for help, and I was on the phone arguing with her up to the last night before I was supposed to move. It was terrible, and I wished I didn't have to rely on anyone to help me. She told me months before that nobody in our fellowship could help because they were running a class. I kept hounding her, and she kept telling me to wait. WTF for?? She said the last night that one guy in our fellowship had been waiting for a call from me. What lying sack of $h!t. There was no kinder gentler ministry. It was a farce, and I knew it. I wasn't going to be controlled anymore.