Ginger Tea

bringing this to the 'top' sigh

Rocky did not know he could participate in pol-lite when his thread was moved there. Previously, he was restricted from there. I read his question and some of the understandable stress it may have created as a reasonable deduction to his thread disappearing...to nowhere (at the time) since he didn't know his restriction to one area was lifted... and his thread was put in pol-lite where he was, up till the hour he addressed it, restricted. How would he be able to participate with others on this thread, especially from any secured area on GS where he was previously denied access? How could he even tell where it went if he wasn't able to see it? Where it went, he isn't allowed, or wasn't till after the fact. Thankfully, the Adm. thought this out and gave him the privilige to access a political forum to continue hanging out ~ engaging people here as he has done for years. Since he was restricted from accessing that forum for a time...there might be some feelings about it...and that's understandable, as well. Zix, I have clashes with a few here, and have also had them with you from time to time as well, and what I have found to be the better intention is to seek out a decent-enough civil manner while manuevering around this site (and not give those that favor a fray, the display of fighting, a show at my or anothers expense) ...and knowing my responses are 'my problem' and anothers 'theirs' ...I either don't read them or choose to think better about those 'people' (in regards to; I will respect these differences in the fashion of tolerence when I can) if I care enough ~ where hopefully, I can genuinely wish well instead of harm. ... anyway...for a brief time, it appears he did have good reason to question what happened to his thread, and why it was removed to where he thought he couldn't post or even see it or engage with others... No one here is perfect, and perhaps the poster could have been clued in first. I know that's not the way things always work out around here...but it could be a good usage of information if more in the practice of prohibiting people from such and thus will become a useful tool around here or whatever they call it. Back to problems with disagrements ~ oh, I mean jumping into problems like that ~ Someone may want to ridicule and attack one's credibility as a person when a difference appears that triggers certain responses inside us ~ while others might want to try and understand what just happened and move on. One good thing to know is that 'other' people reading along will perceive for themselves what 'is going on'. It's not always the same thoughts the ones who are involved with an issue have either. When we have our wits about us, and are feeling ok, in general, we personalize ALOT less. With you Zix, I prefer or can choose to think positively about you on the board ~ and if I won't do this ~ I don't read your posts. At least, I try. Sorta a promise, huh? But to myself. Wish we practiced more of it here. It's hard if one is too close to the flame though...in many ways. Just a heads-up insight but you don't have to listen to me at all either. I do think Rocky had a valid concern about his thread. From his perspective, I think we all would have wondered 'how' or 'what' can we do next here. And in his case, not just do next...but what's next for him and others) down the line when the opposition won't change as readily either. A little empathy can show alot of information about another persons experience. ~ Good luck on your getting a call back (fr the show)...I do hope you will be contacted as this newer take on a good show hits the top ten ~ Ginger

You make a good point. One thing I have noticed in CA lately...(no right or wrong aspect is suggested here by me)...is that you cannot take for granted what will happen and the outcome. The recent 'recall' comes to mind. While I think CA might be the best place to air or flesh out this issue, it cannot afford (presently) to address a revision like this. I think the gay marriage issue can be best served when CA is on it's feet, and the best representation is available for both sides rather than using it where it can be exploited as part of a political arsinal that may polarize both sides all the more. It's too hot a debate, even when there is less political upheaval. I think if people could relax for a time about this matter, we could better focus on stabilization issues and all it concerns would be better served. There are important issues and justices to be thought of within CA that effect everyone except maybe the very wealthy. And again, I'll say, we are biting off more then we can chew...as this is a more universal issue. Waiting to see how this one unravels...

double posts and all that jazz... (Don't judge me because I'm beautiful!) LOL [This message was edited by Ginger Tea on February 21, 2004 at 3:11.]

Just what CA. needs right now...taxpayers money going THERE! Talk about taking from Peter to pay Paul (oh...that's what I'm doing, making this connection ~ sorry if I'm DERAILING ~ screeeeech)...this CA 'terminator' is attempting (which won't work, I'm hoping in the outcome) to demolish (as in cease) certain programs that aid in the care of disabled children by their stay-at-home parent care-giver, and the like in similar situations...particularly families who take care of the sick and elderly AT HOME! Yup...penny wise and nickel foolish! To address the gap in the problematic state financial crisis, this TOTALLY phouquing stupid direction will cost MORE financially in the long run because the disabled vulnerable minority will end up in nursing facilities or other types of medical care facilities... ..but it will scrap enough chump change temporarily, this and 'other' cuts in programs and aide to the less fortunate and vulnerable people of the state ~ to make it LOOK like the budget problems are terminated ~ temporarily! How? The state has been paying, in my county alone, for some 400 families to have care-givers assist the elderly and disabled children about $9.00 + an hour for a small number of hours a week ~ and for some, there is a little insuance supplied and a union also. By having this aide, a Mom can stay home instead of work outside the house full-time to care for her disabled child...which she does anyway...but she can be supplemented for a limited amount of hours a week presently. Isn't that a decent program? After all, SOMEONE has to help her child, right? Why not the parent? If she works outside the house, she has to support someone IN THE HOUSE to stay with her child, doesn't she? In these situations, private care can cost up to and above $20.00 an hour anyway...what a tuff nut to crack if the Mom is not a professional, huh? Add...how humane it is to have someone that isn't a stranger 'caring' for the sick...the vulnerable...where anything can and sometimes will happen that is utterly awful. So, cuts are being made in the State, and why am I not surprised (reeping, look-good now & dump the poor replublicans ~ anyone?) that the small and "nearly" defenseless groups are the target of such a money-scrapping endeavor (oh, what a waste of such a good word!). So...sue S.F. for this-n-that ??? Doesn't it reek of stupidity at a time like this anyway ~ when we need to curtail spending? Doesn't it stink that the poor are being targeted... beneficial programs are at risk this year of being terminated... possibly discarding the abilities of some FAMILIES to be able to function...(and I don't mean in any luxurious manner either) ...doesn't it seem STUPID to fight this battle now? For those of you who do not know ~ California CANNOT AFFORD the luxury of these legal propositions BECAUSE... ...it has enough problems right now. In a way, maybe that's why the gay marriages are taking place. Timing is everything...or at least one of the 'keys' for success. In a weak economy, like any other situation (try here for example, with people), you can try and slip something by...especially if people are distracted. It doesn't necessarily mean it's a good or bad...but it's definately taking advantage of the situation. What's it got to do with the legitimacy of gay marriages? I'm not sure but isn't it ironic? Family values or the perceived sanctity of them are on the table... in a state where there isn't enough money to care for the sick... SO, the disabled cay be sacrificed ~ let's smile for the camera and all the controversy ~ after all ...the strong will survive and we can gloat over the victory at every turn ~ Stay glued to all the news and the media long enough and you might forget about your own life! Mind erasers anyone? Stay totally true to some absolute (ones own decision to limit) moral judgement and you just might end up supporting something inhumane and unbalanced, which could also be immoral by ones own standards ~ which is in the outcome ~ or translate as refusal ~ to take care of priorities. To fight the current gay marriage issue may indeed hurt families ~ BUT not like you think! Get off the high horse. Anyway, you can't hold back the dawn. Oh, I forgot, you can if you just close your eyes...there's no place like home, there's no place home. (except for the poor and the vulnerable!) Peter, if you can't pay Paul...don't posture!!! AND about CA ~ it needs to 'wake the phouque up!' Take care of it's own ~ and forget about the media, it's very fickle anyway...you know.

You are an inspiration to many ~ With a huge heart and great codes for printing pretty and thoughtful intentions to those needing 'your boast' ~ and you do it all so indiscriminately! What class you posess! Many happy returns ~ Love, Ginger I was remembering when the original agnostic thread ~ at the old greaseyspoon was well underway ~ and people were sharing their ideas and experiences...and you came over there with a sweet post...w/o judgementalism, fear, or contempt...do you remember what you said? It went something like ~ you really don't understand where people are going with the thread...but you cast away worries because your Jesus was soft as water! I really got you that day! Your a prize of a person, a marvelous lady who really cares! Enjoy your special year and your spirituality! xo [This message was edited by Ginger Tea on February 18, 2004 at 1:06.]

$20 dollar!!! I make you holler! lol

...the jerks!

Next time you write a post like that put a WARNING up first ...readers, take 2 tylenols! You are one hell of a master..baiter!!! Really Mike, If you read your post and look at it as if you were receiving your own words...right? (you know, what you intend towards others) ...do you follow me so far? No mirror trick Mike, but I think there may be a case of projection going on with you towards GSers in general. You seem, (and I could be wrong) to protest too much about others moving on and living their own lives while excluding the sacred (and to some, very lame) pfal materials, to the degree you accuse others of 'missing it'. Did it occur to you that people have finally grew up and left behind those TWI dreams, which include: ~ vpw ~ pfal ~ having the absolute "truth" ~ and bashing others when/where they feel "right" or a 'sense of contentment'? Really man...I am very disappointed in the recent posts I've read that you have written, especially on this page to very honest people. I'm butting in here and butting out, while leaving you with a thought ~ Do you really buy what you are selling here? I do not believe that you honestly can accept half of what you preach. If you do, that must leave you very alone. And that's sad, Mike. To prejudge everyone and everything they can/will and do say is a sad predicament to find oneself in at any age! Like Trix is for kids!!! TWI IS FOR KIDS!!!! Get it! [This message was edited by Ginger Tea on February 03, 2004 at 14:12.]

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cool names~~ [This message was edited by Ginger Tea on February 13, 2004 at 22:09.]

I got seriously ill once ~ was I ill from sin and not a condition from early childhood? hmmmm also, I was abused, does that make me deserving of it somehow, perhaps I brought it on myself, or was it that I was surounded by unbelievers therefore sining, and ingnorant and also probably needed it? Am I bad/sinning/possessed becaused I have a violation issue ~ or am I not working hard enough on healing it because I lack belief or don't pray it away every second? If I get treated like dirt is it because I'm lesser then the diminishers or is it really a flaw in an arogant person? ah-hah

...objectification it is!

Thanks for speaking up ~ I could feel your experience. It reminded me of 'something' too. You know, it is like the shame ones feels when leaving a bad mariage, as an abused wife ~ or a runaway child feels when they have nowhere to go and no one sees what's wrong...and it's like alot of things ... only one difference ... to the person it has happened to, it's traumatic. It's in their life experience... pretty much, for good! Glad you went home when you did ~ and your presence of mind was greater then the thoughtless risks being placed on you ~ You know what I never understood with heavy way-brain, why 'shame' wasn't to be put on them for anything? I used to hear * don't shame me * or him or her... Hey, some shameful behaviors were going on ~ and reprehensible too! What are you supposed to do ~ smile and say ~ go ahead, DO THAT BEHAVIOR ~ take the slide, you little princes and princesses of no shame ~ jeesh (((Mandii)))

vic & co. were just sad, sorry, terribly dressed preacher-men...with game. That's all. They'd have been busted in the big cities!

like a remarkable, stellar shell of a light-being! :P-->

poo-poo

..if you believe the creator of the universe (and all we haven't seen yet) is a jealous, malicious, punishing grudge-holder (like men can be) you might take this more seroiusly than those who do not.

Made by man to create fear?

By now, her social security, supplimental, whathaveyou ~ have kicked in. Worry about your own lives and parents, is best I can say ~ and NOT feel bad. Finance is a balancing act anyway ~ too much, you lose this ~ too little, you gain something else. Leave these people ALONE! If you care, wonder how to make the caregivers feel appreciated...that's it! inho.

Some people I know real well, and including myself, might be able to give a re-entry enviornment to a single or couple after the initial 'leave'. Like in a network scenario ~ Where one or two come to where there is guaranteed work, and support while they get on their feet and prepare to move on. I'm sure we can have this 'network' expansive ~ since the further away some can tolerate going, may be the better, or at least back to their roots! I'm 'in' on that level...and for contributing to your cause. Let me know when your chatting it up and I'll do what I can to show up and lock-in. I think this is a generous, worthwhile endeavor. Good luck to the planners... I can help in other ways, if re-enrty isn't part of the scenario, for now. Ginger

I'm very sorry to hear about the death in your family. I wish the sweetest, comforting solace come to you and yours soon. Love, Ginger ...carry on

It's so obvious now, isn't it? Thanks ~ and I definately have seen that myself, at one time or another. I could not even begin to entertain putting myself, my trust, or my life and the people that matter most to me, in any 'outer fringes' hands...for sure. Hey, we live and learn. Thanks.

I don't think men have been conditioned to relate to 'victimization'... the way women do. Doesn't mean they aren't ~ can't be or won't... I think the cognicance of it is on an entirely different level ~ although I think that is changing... The whole 'victim mentality' is very sad though... if anyone chooses to remain there too long ~ and people DO choose it still when it doesn't serve them anymore ... but only they know ~ no one can really judge one's healing in matters of the heart & mind ~ not yet anyway ... you can't x-ray a shattered life or the responses to it like you can a broken bone. In this area (that a victim is a victim until they survive it, are ready to move on and CAN overcome the obstacles ~ some of it being the time spent 'there' as well) MEN can learn from women and WOMEN can learn from men... I say this with the most heartful compassion, and also in truth. I don't mean any offense to anyone. How could I?

I had so much inside before I took it ~ And have gained lots more SINCE I took it... (and nothing was original really, as most was from someone or somewhere else ~ except the snow scene and a few other 'fibs' perhaps ~ or delusions, who the heck really knows) It doesn't 'phase' me anymore...