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She's in my prayers, a la.....and hugs to you.
((((A la))))
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Around 1995 or 1996 (???) lcm coined a new term for those who weren't quite up to par with his standard of active corps.....the new term, alumni corps.
The alumni corps were those corps graduates who failed to qualify, at least in lcm's rule book, for active corps status and assume yearly assignments from twi. In twi's caste system, the alumni corps were to be a step higher than advanced class grads......or, "the best of the best of the advanced class grads."
With corps having graduated from the corps program, lcm searched for a classification that would designate their commitment level and appease twi's expectations. After all, even though it was NEVER in writing, twi fully expected (and manipulated) the corps to stand fully engaged in the salted corps commitment a lifetime.
So......"demoted" to corps alumni, why is it considered "better" for them now? Could it be...
...being active corps was never intended to be a lifestime commitment to twi?
...being active corps, and moving every few years, was fiscal suicide?
...being active corps was a waste of time?
...being active corps was like being a brown-noser?
...being active corps was not in one's business/family goals?
...being active corps under lcm's reign was insane?
...being active corps was mearly propaganda and buzzwords?
...being active corps was _____________?
There are still lots and lots of alumni corps who throw abundant sharing money to twi. Maybe its their way of saying, "I will stay involved with twi, but only on my terms and the standards that I deem fit for my family and life."
Any comments on this?
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Thanks houseisarockin.
I always find it interesting to see how they move these region couples around to give them a
change of scenery.
It's like.....once a region leader always a region leader. Must be centered on job security.
Nothing new here....same ole, same ole.
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I'm just wondering where all those "new people" are that LCM said the WC would be uncovering when they went back to work.
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Thanks everyone for adding to this thread.
As I go back into the files of my mind to write this insanity......MORE details surface.
My purpose in posting this information is to elaborate on what happens when false prophecies are dictated from twi's mog. The rippling effect is astounding, the devastation is massive, and no two areas experience the same spiritual calamity.
The epicenter of this destruction came from martindale's arrogant braincells. Don and Howard had NO spiritual insight to stop it. The president's cabinet gave their approval. The region men nodded in agreement......and the waves of destruction were unleashed.
At times, I feel "dirty" to have been caught up in all of this. I had very strong objections at different points in time, but I, too, was sucked under and shipwrecked. As corps, I apologize for not being stronger, more spiritually sharp.
My prayers go out to those of you who were seriously hurt by corps who obeyed and/or struggled with lcm's false prophecies.
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Reading all of this just makes me sick... not for me, I've been out for years... but for (like Lindy) my family that's still there... they've given up so much but have no idea...
I know what you mean.....but I think that the "paper blizzard" has passed. Once again, martinfail's "revelation" put his a$$ on the line to produce. And, his psychopatic perserverence led to micro-micromanagement of every detail.
Maybe from THAT perspective......it really is better now?
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And one more thing before I get back to work....
I strongly believe that MANY CORPS GRADS who no longer stand with twi are still struggling with the financial devastation and family-structured abandonment during those insane years.
Thus, there are very few corps grads who come to Greasespot and post their stories. Perhaps, some are embarrassed by their involvement or still computer-illiterate........but, in my opinion, there are MANY whose lives and careers and family were left in shambles.
And, for several of the corps couples I know....divorce has been a quick ticket to distance themselves from one another and the nightmare of following lcm's false prophecies.
I'll leave it at that.
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Sky - WOW! I have never read anything like this that really spelled out the details of these years. You ought to write a thesis on it, its effects and consequences, not only to the ministry but to you, your family and the families that you know. Not sure what you should do with such a paper, but it would be valuable for someone.
Microbe....thanks for posting. I don't know about writing a thesis...but appreciate your insight. Sounds like you were in the thick of things, too?
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I think they took what Loy did for the corpses and applied it to everyone else. In our state, the only one left who they considered qualified to run it was a really stupid, nazi-type individual.
Mr. H.....during the full-time corps era, lcm DEMANDED the corps to "get some balls" and drive the devil spirits out! He bluntly told the corps to get tough or get out!
From what I saw, the cancerous arrogance and meanness infected the region men who attended hq meetings....and this "rough-shod over people" infiltrated the limbs and branches accordingly. In the end, twi was indeed spiritually-cancerous and its breathing is stifling.
It seems that rosalie has done NOTHING to combat this disease that is lording over twi's followers.
Pathetic and sad, really.
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It soon became apparent that EVERY OVERRIDING DECISION of twi became a financial decision. The monster was eating away all the incoming revenue........and the monster was GROWING.
To stop this MONSTER from eating twi out of house and home, lcm became the "financial head over every corps and corps household." He dictated how money was to be spent. He dictated who could and should get pregnant. He dictated the slashing of all extra-curricular activities of the children.
...no music lessons
...no dance lessons
...no voice lessons
...no tutoring
...no karate
...no pets
...no gift-giving to corps
...no traveling to other states
...no extended (5 day) vacations
...no college preparations
...no retirement funds (???)
It was financial reckless abandonment for three years of my life!!!
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Thanks, Jim....for the compliment. Appreciate it.
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Originally posted by igotout:Can you share more about how they had to report back on EVERYTHING? I remember Paul & Phyll here having to do insane ******s of paperwork and reports and faxes. Also no cable TV and things like that. Some people do not have a clue about this brief peried of insanity and failure.
igotout.....all the corps were inundated with reporting back to twi leadership. I tend to believe that the trunk office issued this paper blizzard to appease martinfail's screaming episodes and micromanaged leadership style. Quite obvious to me.....martinfail didn't trust the corps to do their ministerial duties.
The paperwork was multi-faceted. Branch guys reported to the limb, the limb to region, the region to trunk, the trunk to bot. The following are some of the reports that I recall:
--Time-Analysis Report....each week, this report was a projected schedule of the corps person's week detailing 6am - 11pm in 30-minute time slots. After about one year, lcm instructed region & limb guys to scrutinize these reports and strongly recommend changes (each week).
--Witnessing Report....each week, this report was a detailed analysis of how many in your area went witnessing, the number of contacts, the number of follow-ups, the number who attended fellowships as a result, the number who signed up for WAP, etc.
--Petty Cash Report....each branch, limb and region were allocated a level of petty cash. Branch corps, generally, consisted of two or three fellowships and didn't utilze petty cash reports except for times when lcm designated 8 consecutive public/formal branch meetings during the videotaping of WAP. All expenses over $100 had to be cleared by the region guy. The region guy could spend up to $300 before the trunk got involved.
--Yearly Budget Reports....this report had to be cleared through twi's personnel department. With some 600+ corps/families on payroll, this was a monumental task to sort thru the "needs" of every corps family, every situation. Some parents had a child in a musical instrument class, or a karate class, or a voice lessons class, etc. Martindale blasted the corps on a corps meeting for spending "excess money" on their children.
--[Note: Pet policies, gift-giving policies, pregnancy policies, traveling policies, cable tv policies, etc......these came into play as the mountain of corps expenses soared far beyond anything martindale had foreseen.]
--Monthly Progress Report....(whatever it was called??) detailed each branch's progress on class sign-ups (fnd, int, ac, etc). Month after month, it seemed like there were always goose eggs (zeros) in the blanks.
--Trunk Faxes.....reporting back on specific policies or corps meeting assignments was common. The corps were responsible to listen to lcm's sts tape on tuesday or early wednesday each week BEFORE the corps phone hookup. Trunk faxes were common and demanded a quick response. Sometimes, corps would be up until midnight to meet the fax deadline.
--Greetings Faxed to Trunk....as the paper-insantiy escalated, the corps seemed to be competing as to who could send in the most heartfelt greeting for twi's anniversary, for thanksgiving, for twi's holiday party, for the new year's, etc.
--Thank You Cards.....it became mandatory for each branch, each area to send a unique, handmade, personalized card to lcm after each WAP class. Every student was to sign the card and detail what blessed them specifically in the class.
Those who had bigger branches, bigger limbs, bigger regions had MORE paperwork to do. It wasn't any secret why MANY region couples had no kids. No time.
There were more reports, but I think you get the gist of it. I know lots of people criticize their corps leadership, but from one who was in the midst of this paper blizzard.....it was one he!! of a ride!
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All kinds of reasons were given. Blame was shifted onto the "unbelieving" corps and other committed followers. And by June of 1998, "new revelation" was given to eliminate the full-time corps mode of operation.Martinfail kept boasting of God's prevailing word and all......but the damage was done. It was obvious that lcm was not tapped into God's divine revelations. He was exposed for all to see.
And for the record.....for those of you who were long gone from twi, Howard Allen stepped aside (asked to retire??) as secretary/treasurer shortly thereafter.
Sometimes, the timing of things makes one go....hmmmmmmm.
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I kind of like threads of this nature. Reminds me about some of the questions and doubts that I sometimes had and just plain dismissed thinking "well, that just can't be right"..
I like threads like this too....that's why I start them.
For me, it helps to dismantle the twi-machinery and logically explain its component parts. In this manner, others can see how misjudgements, agendas, and adulterous leaders strayed further and further from scriptural basis and ended in a desolate wilderness.
Wierwille died before his agendas were fully exposed. But martindale in trying to follow wierwille's mentoring, is a classic example of tarnished character, moral/spiritual depravity and self destruction by the age of 51.
And since twi is a class-based organization, it isn't any small wonder why they still are scrambling to implement a new foundational class again.
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How ironic.....to think that lcm was constantly condemning those who had investments in stocks and bonds. With great adamancy, he said that the best place to invest one's money was to ABUNDANTLY SHARE TO TWI.
Money, money, money.......the trustees ALWAYS were focused on the dollars.
And then, when one strips away all the "spiritual reasons" for this full-time corps experiment......lcm did not do his homework. He went into this "investment" on an arrogant whim.
It's like....he threw the dice. And lost.
Oooops.
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Yep. Chalk up another one for "infallibility". Maybe that's why it got so bad.
Mr. H......yeah, imo it became exponentially worse in twi when the corps went full-time.
Martinfail couldn't stomach the thought of his corps on payroll without micromanaged accountability. Week after week, the policies were coming out of the trunk office to put some structure to this new "revelation."
One of the major thrusts at this time was reporting back. The faxes were flying back and forth all hours of the day. It was a crazy time.....and martinfail's corps meetings were simply a time of diversion and shifting blame.
And, let's not forget.....when all graduated corps went full time, that meant that twi was SOLELY RESPONSIBLE to meet the financial needs of these employees. If they traveled to Word in Business, then twi was responsible for this expense. Thus, only about 30 corps nationwide were "selected" to attend!
I still believe that the MAJOR REASON why the roa was stopped was financial. Imagine having some 600 corps travel to Ohio with their families for two weeks....and all the expenses that would incur? Everything now that the corps did or implemented was a twi expense. And, this didn't even approach the subject of corps children. What about in a few years??When lcm cancelled the roa because of devil spirit infiltration, I believe that this was simply smoke & mirrors.
It soon became apparent that EVERY OVERRIDING DECISION of twi became a financial decision. The monster was eating away all the incoming revenue........and the monster was GROWING.
Yes, this "revelation" to put all graduated corps full-time changed ALL the dynamics of twi. It was unprecedented and it totally blew up in martinfail's face.
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During your time in TWI, when was it that any of you got that "feeling" that all just wasn't right in "the Household".
---when vpw drank his drambuie while corps sat on the floor
---when vpw railed vehemently on a corps guy who fell asleep during vp's teaching
---when vpw crashed the twig hopper in Canada in 1982 and it was totally silenced over
---when lcm was noted for "dances with spirits"
---when lcm's anger and viciousness towards geer didn't cease
---when donna told linder to wake lcm by 9am on Sunday at an ACS. Why a wake-up call for the spiritual mog? And, what was he DOING that saturday night?
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Ten years ago, mr. martinfail began scheming another escalated attempt to rev-up the corps. With ongoing efforts to purge homos and home mortgages from twi's ranks, loy waybrained a plan that he said was revelation from God.
In March of 1995, at the corps leadership meetings at hq, lcm presented this "revelation" and received endorsement from the board of trustees, the corps leadership, the region leaders, and emeritus trustees. Puffed with great pride, the full-time corps "revelation" was catapulted in August at corps week.
Martinfail expected his plan to stoke the fires of his controlling power. His arrogance was cashing checks that God never wrote.
In August, the lines of demarcation were quickly drawn in the sand. If corps had credit card debt, then they were not qualified to be on twi's payroll. If corps had a home mortgage, then the same applied. Twi's personnel director, Brad Thoxpe, was the front man to set a base salary under a needs-basis umbrella with a set of financial and spiritual guidelines.
Within weeks, lcm's "revelation" was unraveling. The trunk office was totally scrambling to fill in all the holes. Frank Stalxy and wife were brought in to spearhead the financial avalanche of activities that were not detailed. Policies and job descriptions were in shambles. Behind closed doors, this whole "revelation" was a growing fiasco. Corps couples were quitting and returning back to their secular employment.
When lcm launched this full-time corps "revelation" upon twi, it marked a new era in twi history. Now, twi's president and corps director had major control over his graduated-from-training corps. He set corps policies on salary cuts, traveling, communication, reporting, pets, pregnancy, vacations, and many other issues. It was unprecedented.
Since lcm proclaimed that God had given this revelation, there was a growing anticipation of major rise and expansion. But when it DID NOT HAPPEN, lcm now said that the household needed to be cleaned out further.....before twi followers could cross the bridge into "the promised land of the prevailing word."
More stress. More confrontation. More scrutiny over innie's finances and traveling and m/a relatives. More reporting back to leadership as demanded by the trunk office.
No results. The ministry was going deeper in debt with such a swell of payroll expense. By March of 1997, the trunk office instructs the region men to sniff out "slothful corps" and get them OFF TWI'S PAYROLL. Fire their butts, but be sure to give a spiritual reason.
The yes-men go into action to save face for lcm. More policies. More firings. By January of 1998, twi launches into an emergency cost-cutting mode!! Obviously, the twi accountants were whispering in martinfail's ear and FINALLY getting his attention.
All kinds of reasons were given. Blame was shifted onto the "unbelieving" corps and other committed followers. And by June of 1998, "new revelation" was given to eliminate the full-time corps mode of operation.
Martinfail kept boasting of God's prevailing word and all......but the damage was done. It was obvious that lcm was not tapped into God's divine revelations. He was exposed for all to see.
Once again, pride goeth before the fall.
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When I signed up, I made a FOUR YEAR commitment. That was it! It was optional to take assignments upon graduation...at least, that's what they said in WRITING! A couple of months into the training, at Emporia, they tell us all that we have made a LIFETIME commitment to the corps!...and if we don't "understand THAT"...then we are "spiritually out to lunch".
Manipulation-mongers! They waited a couple months and then, slam-dunk our commitment level when we are behind CLOSED DOORS and surrounded by PEER PRESSURE. What a bunch of low-life tactics!
Was this tactic used in the zero corps? And, everyone left???
When the atrocities of the corps program are exposed......vpw was a major player in scamming people. He may have been on the stage alot, but some of us know that vpw could easily hide in the shadows.
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When I put faces to this extreme spiritual abuse in vpw's corps.......excathedra is at the forefront of my mind.
It really ....es me off that vp did this to my corps sister.
(((((excathedra)))))
Take care, my friend.
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I think the TWI spin experts have quite a lot of work ahead of them. This one may do them in. Time for ole rico to calm the crowds, somehow explain that the ship is not really sinking....
Maybe Mr. Horney's new class will put this ship back on course?
With Horney, Platig, Rico and Rupp up there in the ranks, surely it can't get any worse?
Can it?
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Maybe,like myself,some of us were just determined to see it through the end....The way wasn't going to break me....Somewhere,in-residence,I came to the realization that I was not going to acquire any in-depth spiritual perception and awareness...So,I just did my time...My major regret was disappointment,...
Some good points, simon.
From a child, I was always taught to finish what I started. It was not good to jump ship and quit, because you might miss some good learning just around the next bend. Well, each "bend in the voyage" had MORE TURBULENCE.
And, even though I stuck it out.....it didn't get better. There was NO "acquire an in-depth spiritual perception and awareness" prize at graduation time. Sure, I made a few friends and learned a thing or two.....BUT I could have easily done that in a multiplicity of ways.
The corps program was designed to build twi-dependent followers who would strictly endorse twi policies. To quit the program (and be slandered) or die were the two exit options available to those who were "salted" corps.
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Yeah.....that's it, "survival" memories, ex10.
:D-->To survive the monotony
To survive the intimidation
To survive the peer pressure
To survive the sleep deprivation
To survive the parade of mog adulation
I just wanted to serve God and help others, that's all.
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Thanks ex10 and LindaZ for your input and perspectives. And, for what it's worth....it is good to hear that some corps retain fond memories of those intense inresidence years.
When I set aside all the intertwining corporate agendas, the mog arrogance and twi-induced idolatry........and focus on corps-to-corps friendships, I can find a smidgeon of good in all of it.
Thanks again.
:)--> :)--> (((((ex10)))))
(((((LindaZ)))))
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All of it is a smoke screen...the fact is, they are desperate to revive the rolls of the "faithful" in order to generate more revenue.
BINGO.
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1995 full-time corps "revelation"
in About The Way
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Microbe.....you bring up some interesting points. Oh, there is SO MUCH isn't there?
I remember lcm screaming on a couple of corps meetings regarding corps questioning our futures. Honest questioning about one's future was not only squelched.....it was BURIED DEEP IN CONCRETE. After lcm's screaming, spitting, vein-popping rebuttal, those who needed more assurance over their future quickly packed their belongings and left twi.
How dare the corps ask questions about the future and try to make decisions that would best suit individual/family/business goals!
And......it in a couple short years, twi was laying off 80% of these corps. Abso-damn-lutely, the corps had EVERY RIGHT to ask about their futures.
Pathetic liars!