oldiesman

Yes, I'm adding something to the mix that works for me. Others may not go for the same mix as mine.

Sorry about that! Thanks for the correction.

Remember that the RC church doesn't always go by "chapter and verse" but by tradition and experience as well. They go by visions and experiences of later saints and believers as well. (Am thinking of the Blessed Virgin Mary as the Mother of God here as well.) I don't have all the background on why priests should remain celibate but am sure its there. We can do a search on YouTube, am sure there are many videos about it there.

Here's another quote (or page) from Ann Barnhardt who as I said helped me get back to the Roman Catholic faith while exposing the evils inside the church. As I understand it, priestly celibacy (a gift from God) was required for complete devotion to the church, the priest being married to the church and having no other devotion or loyalty. That was the godly standard they have (and still have for the present). The recommendation from the Pope she mentions is either stay celibate or quit, which to me is honest. Where I believe they've blown it big time is the lack of honesty; instead of being honest and quit they go on doing their own thing which has warped into rampant flamboyant sodomy. So it appears to be the sin of narcissism. https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/01/04/cut-the-crap-no-sex-for-priests-deacons-and-subdeacons-even-if-married/

I agree with you but it was her quote not mine. I've never used the word f----t; I use the word from the Bible which is sodomite.

I don't know, its Ann Barnhardt's quote. She's stated show knows officials who work right there in the Vatican and the context was the Vatican so I assume its the Vatican she's talking about.

"The Vatican is a Bathhouse ~ they are all f--s." Ann Barnhardt. Couple of years ago I heard this and then started listening to Ann's podcast. She helped me come back to the Roman Catholic faith while all the while exposing the evils within the church. Rampant, flamboyant sodomy in the upper echelons needs to be exposed and repented of otherwise they are doomed (and in my opinion, SHOULD BE.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlzOd42xU8c&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=PCTAeWPQ5ht8BXaJ%3A6

Those would come under the Novus Ordo not the traditionalists. Even then, its a separate service from their usual Mass from what I've seen. And the service I've been to didn't have SIT with interpretation only a word of prophesy (which was very much like the old TWI).

Thank you. I find it as one of the most serious ways to worship God. Of course, they don't know that I speak in tongues during the Mass and I don't broadcast it because they definitely don't believe in it unfortunately.

Wordwolf, I don't know other than its tradition, and maybe some Pope decreed along the way that that was the way it was supposed to be said and no other way. Personally I would like to hear the entire traditional high Mass in English, but I don't think its available around here. Some trads literally believe that once a Pope says something like that anything else is invalid. Of course there are exceptions: it is said that the Rosary was given to St. Dominic directly from Mary as 15 decades; then Pope John Paul added 5 more decades which the trads believe makes it invalid so there they don't accept the Popes decision. It certainly seems to be a dilemma for them to accept some Popes decrees and reject others...

As I understand it the Latin contains many more gestures and worship sequences, meaningful actions that were cut out when they reduced it at Vatican 2. When facing the cross during the original Latin Mass, the priest actually worships Jesus (which was described to me as like time travel i.e. you are there at the crucifixion) having only the altar as opposed to using a table and facing the congregants during the new Mass. Here's a video series that was suggested to me (this is part One of Three) of the set-up of the original Latin Mass, that you may find interesting:

I thought this was an interesting video (about 20 minutes) of how the RC Church got invaded from within. Right now, from what I've seen and experienced, the "Novus Ordo" Mass is a severely watered-down version of the Traditional Latin Mass. Some trads. believe the new Mass isn't valid at all. I do not hold to that view, though I do believe the traditional Mass is way more serious, reverent and worshipful.

I sometimes wonder if he tells folks (who aren't ex-twi) that most all the stuff he learned and is teaching now was from twi? He didn't mention it in the interview and I think it would be the honest thing to do. Of course perhaps he won't because twi has developed a bad reputation and he doesn't want his teachings to be diminished or disparaged.

My recollection was that TWI taught that a born-again believer was somebody who confessed Christ as Lord and believed God raised him from the dead. (Romans 10:9). At that point you were a member of the body of Christ. An unbeliever, then, was one who did not do this. Those who were of "the household of faith" or simply "the household" were exclusively active TWI believers.

Looks like JAL's stuff is all from TWI.. hasn't veered away at all. Looks good for 75... Thanks for the link...

What a fascinating topic! For those who may be interested I recently attended a talk with a Nuremberg prison guard. He was right there. (He's now 92 years old.) This video is about 30 minutes long.

Negative.

Ditto...

A friend just sent me this piece. It's well written; no argument here. It belongs here as a reference if its not here already. https://charleneedge.com/part-1-of-2-victor-paul-wierwille-and-plagiarism/?fbclid=IwAR3c5Qzp-dyweO2WC8lD-OWdwDuqakubjg3dHyg0u5gwGrZWlffSPZr9q2o

I always thought that homosexuality is a perversion and still do. I remember in high school a homo challenged me on it and said I was perverted for believing that. What did I say to him? Nothing... nothing I say would change his mind. Now, today I don't call them homos anymore I call them sodomites. "God made male and female". This is still the truth; I believe the people and society are in deep trouble, straying from this truth and is in peril, perhaps like Sodom and Gomorrah once was. I don't wish ill on anybody but I think we're in deep doo doo. Now we have Drag Queen Story Hours in libraries. ugh.

I can share what I've experienced: The Novus Ordo mass and church is a much watered-down service of the original Latin Mass and service. They say it all changed in the '60s. The traditionalists (trad Catholics) say the Novus Ordo is infiltration of "protestants" to the church back when they passed Vatican 2 in the late '60s. "Trads" do not consider the new church valid and they don't even believe that Bergoglio is the Pope. I can't explain it all but if you google "novus ordo catholic church" a few good articles and explanation will pop up. Me, I go to both services and consider both valid but I think the traditional way is more serious and reverent.

Yes. The word she specifically used was "charisms". Here is a source that I thought was interesting: http://ccro-msp.org/charisms-holy-spirit/ Notice what they say about interpretation of tongues "tongues along with interpretation amounts to prophesy". Sounds like twi! I have been to a few Catholic charismatic services where there was a word of prophesy (much like twi = edification, exhortation and comfort) but some of them spoke in tongues without interpretation. I didn't talk to them about interpretation or holding back the tongues without interpretation; there wasn't much of it. Then at the end of the service the priest has a short Mass with Eucharist communion service. Then later praying, laying on of hands. This is all in the new Novus Ordo church not the traditional (which considers SIT and other manifestations invalid.)

Hi Folks, I recently attended a teaching on the manifestations-gifts of the Holy Spirit inside the Catholic Church. Some history of them inside the church, how and where it resurfaced in the early 1900's; then the lady actually demonstrates it with audience participation and testimonials. Most curious was the excellor session on the word of knowledge she demonstrates. Do you remember if we had done those in twi? It seems to me this woman is right on. What do you think?

HI Raf, thank you for the welcome back! I have a real good friend where I live in NY who's a devout Catholic who urged me to go and I'm so happy that I did. Although I still retain some TWI teachings, its a process to put them off and put on profound truths that I didn't learn in TWI. Perhaps somebody taught it but I wasn't paying much attention? https://www.biblestudytools.com/rhe/passage/?q=john+6:51-71;+john+6:66 Eat Jesus' flesh, drink his blood.? Never delved into those in TWI but He said it. Catholics believe Jesus comes back spiritually in the Eucharist its a spiritual mystery, spiritual phenomenon. I have heard it said that the Mass is like time travel... you are there with Jesus experiencing his sacrifice and all that it means. WOW. In God there is no time, God dwells in eternity. Here's something else. Jesus is returning? How about he is returning all the time in the Eucharist? How about he already returned in 70 A.D.? Have you studied Preterism? They say that Catholics are partial preterists? It's the doctrine that the body of prophesy of the end times has already been fulfilled in 70 A.D. There is no "return" as we thought of in TWI. No "gathering together."

Now I hope to get notified when somebody posts on this thread because I haven't been for months. Don't remember how everything works.