waysider

Almost everything he wrote was lifted from uncredited sources. I can't tell you what to read and what not to read. If you like some aspects of what you read, we can certainly help you find the original sources. Personally, I'm not inclined to believe the original sources had it right either but that's just my opinion.

Welcome to GSC. I hope we'll be able to help you resolve some of the confusion you may have. See, here's the thing about his death. He taught, in the Advanced Class, that cancer is caused by devil spirits. In not so many words, what he implied was that people with cancer are "possessed". He died of cancer. His brother, "Uncle Harry, died of cancer. His son, Don, died of cancer. Do you see a pattern? Now, what we have here is a dilemma. If he was right in what he taught about cancer, we were following the teachings of a man who was possessed. If he was wrong in what he taught about cancer, he could have been wrong about anything and everything. It all comes down to credibility. As to what he taught, via his classes and books and so on, the vast majority of it was plagiarized material, sometimes whole paragraphs, even whole chapters and. yes, even entire books. This, despite the wild claims he made about God talking to him directly and having exclusive knowledge that hadn't been known for 2,000 years. I've gotten off-topic. This thread is simply to let people know the truth about the cause of his demise. There are probably many who still have no idea.

Is he teaching ballet?

Send him a PM.

Insert: Anyone who was/is on the outskirts of twi.....or simply took a couple of classes......has NO IDEA about this cult. Extrication is so intricately interwoven into every fabric of one's heart, soul, emotions, relationships, memories, fiber of being, approval before God......that to get out is an arduous process. Wierwille AND martindale strictly taught that to leave twi........was to leave God. Sure, it's laughable now......but to those who exit AND those still in.................it is very real. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is why I've so often said that it's not about doctrinal issues, such as 4 crucified or cry of triumph or figures of speech or whatever else we focused on. It was about a crazy lifestyle we lived that sometimes escaped the attention of those fortunate people who only remained involved at a local level.

I think it's a bit unfair to say I'm not willing to look at it from another perspective. I did, after all, suggest you present one.

Quite a few new posters are showing up these days. Just in case they may have missed it, here is the official word on VPW's cause of death: HERE

Remember that class that was supposed to show people how to separate truth from error? Yeah, how's that working out? You rock! Loved your book.

You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

Or, to quote my dad, "It's exactly the same, but completely different."

"I learned some things from that [AC] class" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- O.K. So, there ya go. Take that thought to doctrine and initiate a discussion of what you or other people may have learned from the Advanced Class.

I'm all ears. You are more than welcome to elaborate on the specifics of how you were hurt and the heart and motive behind your post. That's a big part of why GSC exists. There are ways to be specific and, at the same time, redact identifying information if that's a matter that concerns you.

That's a mighty fancy way of saying "Just get over it." (Not a popular view point of people who were genuinely hurt by the organization. Philosophy may augment but does not replace reality.)

GSC is a very diverse place with many beliefs and attitudes being represented, all the way from Christian to Wicca to Taoism and so on. The most appropriate place to discuss those beliefs is in the doctrinal forum. However, the main purpose of GSC is to expose the reality of what was taking place and continues to take place within The Way. Before the site was reformatted, that was stated clearly on the front page. Perhaps you haven't been here long enough to remember that. It does appear to me, as indicated by some of your responses, JJ, that you haven't had the opportunity to explore some of the areas of discussion that have appeared here over the years, such as speaking in tongues, the Advanced Class, the law of believing and many more topics. If there is a specific area of concern in the videos you've posted, perhaps you could start a thread in the doctrinal forum to narrow the discussion a bit.

Click HERE Cadence and Cascade Kept a man named Jade; Cool in the shade While his audience played. Purred, whispered, "Spend us too: We only serve for you". Sliding mystified On the wine of the tide Stared pale-eyed As his veil fell aside. Sad paper courtesan They found him just a man. Caravan hotel Where the sequin spell fell Custom of the game. Cadence oiled in love Licked his velvet gloved hand Cascade kissed his name. Sad paper courtesan They knew him just a man. Songwriters: SINFIELD, PETER JOHN / FRIPP, ROBERT Cadence And Cascade lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group

Back in the day, we would have had a jolly time analyzing the "spiritual significance" of such connections.

As with many words, there is no single, concise definition that covers all the many nuances that can be applied to it. To some, an idol represents something superior to them, something beyond replication, something that inspires awe. To others, an idol is something or someone to be emulated, revered for excellence and given due respect. To yet others, the mention of idols may simply conjure up thoughts of physical entities, such as statues and monuments. It's all about context.

."....I hope you can take the time to look over these healing videos.One of the most powerful IMHO is a video out of Australia entitled "The normal Christian Life- My baby had a heart attack" they show actual footage of the ordeal..l4 whole minutes of your life." Link?

It's starting to catch on in the U.S. So far, though, it's in its infancy here. (aside from some university programs which have been around forever)

Just in one of those moods, ya know? " Sliding mystifiedOn the wine of the tideStared pale-eyedAs his veil fell aside.Sad paper courtesanThey found him just a man."

I got my copy in the mail this afternoon. And, so, the journey begins.

Do I pay them or do they pay me? Happy New Year!