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It reminds me of Neil Young introducing a song. (I don't remember which one now) He says something like "Here's one that starts out kinda slow and then just......fizzles out completely."

One aspect of subscribing to The Way's anti-trinity based dogma is that it insures the subscriber is less likely to veer from the core tenets of The Way and be more prone to associate with individuals who are already on the same page, theologically. "Pickles in a jar labeled 'peaches'" is the analogy that comes to mind. Of course, that phenomena is not unique to The Way or even religion, in general.

Letting go of the anti-Trinity stance is an admission that you don't have the powers you once thought you had. The world is a big, scary, uncontrollable place. Yeah, letting go of it can be scary, as can letting go of believing or tithing or speaking in tongues. There's a certain sense of liberation that comes with the scariness, though.

And so it came to pass that the Lord was unable to bless even the most needful of the lot, for their vegetation had become unruly and tainted with demons.

It's called The Concorde Fallacy or Sunken Costs Fallacy.

sonder ‎(countable and uncountable, plural sonders) (neologism) The profound feeling of realizing that everyone, including strangers passed in the street, has a life as complex as one's own, which they are constantly living despite one's personal lack of awareness of it. SOURCE onism n. the frustration of being stuck in just one body, that inhabits only one place at a time, which is like standing in front of the departures screen at an airport, flickering over with strange place names like other people’s passwords, each representing one more thing you’ll never get to see before you die—and all because, as the arrow on the map helpfully points out, you are here. SOURCE I'll never "really" know you. You'll never "really" know me. Hence, the need to ponder the fruit another's life has produced in an effort to more clearly understand them and the motives that drive/drove them.

I'm not pretending to know more than I do, I'm simply stating what is written in the Bible......"By their fruits you shall know them." Yes, it could be approached from a doctrinal perspective, examining scripture that relates to the matter. However, Rocky clearly indicated his interest was in understanding where and when, historically, Christianity adopted the said belief. This is the type of question one might find in a secular class comparing various religious beliefs and histories.

There are pre-existing threads that deal with this question. Some may be a bit old chronologically, but, nevertheless, still relevant enough to rekindle.

It's not a doctrinal question. Rocky posed the question: "From a historical perspective, at what point did some human declare that Jesus is God?" You don't have to have any knowledge of the Bible or particular religious slant to address this from a historical perspective. "It's really that simple."

It isn't necessarily required that one be personally acquainted with someone to see evidence of their true character. It says so in the Bible. Something about knowing them by their fruits or some such thing.

That's the same problem I had. Except, in my case, I already had a PayPal account. I just didn't think to submit it that way. When I did, it was successful. I've used GoFundMe to donate to other causes without any problems. Maybe that's one of the things that will be fixed with the forthcoming updates.

Looking back now, it occurs to me that this idea of "Jesus is not God" has the indirect effect of empowering dispensationalism. It draws attention away from the gospels and refocuses it on the epistles. (written for our learning vs. written directly to us)

I never sat through Momentus. I know it had a profoundly negative effect on some of its students, one of which was Barnard. Can someone provide a short explanation of what it was all about?

"Going back to the PFAL and as many times as I sat through it, I did not get a feeling that vpw had trinitarian undertones in the teaching of PFAL." What about the session (was it #5?) where he appears to get all excited and blasts out, "He's coming back as King of Kings and Lord of Lords!!"? Did your class instructors gloss that over? We were told to downplay that and explain that he had been a Trinitarian but no longer was. I asked at one point, before I had run any classes myself, why he didn't just re-film that segment. I think you can imagine the reception my question got. Know what I mean,Vern?

Thanks from me, as well. "Hot spot" at the GSC

Ring Around The Collar Who knew what a plague on mankind it was until the advertising world made us aware? And, so it was with the trinity/JCING dilemma. I never knew it was a problem until VPW told us it was. Task #1: Create a problem. Task #2: Solve the problem. Task #3: Bask in new-found celebrity, as king of the heap, for having solved the problem.

I tend to agree with you, Bolshevik. He didn't merely present a dissenting religious opinion, he deliberately created a firestorm of controversy. It's been my experience that people with good intentions tend to avoid such situations, presenting their controversial opinions in a more palatable manner, in an effort to insure a better reception.

That does make a lot of sense, Mr. B.

Ha! Problem solved. (I wasn't logged into my PayPal account.)

It was a huge stumbling block for me when I stopped going to twig and sought out alternatives.

They were both. So, there you have it. Now we can move on? edit: I'll include FellowLaborers with that if it will make anyone happy. (I was FL4&5)

I have tried repeatedly to use a prepaid gift card to do this. I don't know why but it flat out refuses to accept my card. I checked the balance and it's fine. I guess I'll try another way tomorrow.

Thanks, Raf. Your point is well taken.

The original question has been answered over and over and over again. The answer is not yes/no, black/white, night/day, on/off. Read between the lines. If it's a site where threads stay on topic you seek, you may want to check out reddit. Nothing there ever goes off topic for at least the first 4 or 5 posts.

The focal point of L.E.A.D. was to prove, not only that the law of believing was true, but to demonstrate that you knew how to operate it. Believe for rides to get there. Believe to get there on time. Believe to get there safely. Believe to come back with the same amount of money you left with.... and so on. The Way knew there were serious dangers involved with the program. Women were raped, people were robbed, people suffered debilitating frostbite and other life changing injuries, people died. Did they cancel it or make adjustments to make it safer? Nope. If you don't succeed, it's your own fault for not "believing". How convenient. It's probably about time to take a fresh look at THIS old thread.