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I'm not too good at doing searches but I did find THIS one. There are others if I remember correctly.

I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. In the original text there are 2 more words at the end that have been lost in the translation processes. It should literally read: I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made....sorta, kinda. See how easy it is to understand now? You don't even have to do the Dispensation Tap Dance or Whozit Written To Polka.

He did walk on water, though, every winter when the pond froze.

Kind of like people who know what it was like at Woodstock because they saw the movie.

Another aspect to be considered is whether VPW/TWI's influence affected not just you but someone close to you, such as a family member or close friend, in such a way that the effects tricked down. Families were divided. Friendships were cast to the wayside. You don't have to have been an active part of The Way to have been affected.

Life is all about making mistakes and learning from them. That's part of how we grow and improve as individuals. If we don't do that, we're missing the boat. In retrospect, I learned a lot of lessons about trust, betrayal and the dark side of human nature from my time in The Way. It's quite possible I would have learned those lessons elsewhere had I not been involved with The Way. But you don't expect to learn those things from an organization that's supposed to be teaching you how to be a better Christian leader. I met a lot of good people. I had a lot of fun times. Overall, I have to say, though, that the negative impact on my life outweighs the positive by a goodly amount. My involvement with The Way negatively affected my marriage, my family, my career, my relationship with friends and my overall sense of self worth. At this stage of my life, much of that damage is irreparable. Yes, I learned some valuable lessons. The cost of tuition was much too high. That's my take on it. Your mileage may vary.

We learned very little about Jesus in The Way. Most of what we examined was based on the Pauline epistles. I think that's fairly typical of modern Christianity, at least based on my limited observation. As Tzaia pointed out, the epistles were written before the gospels and the cannon reversed the chronology. That makes it seem like the gospels were written before the epistles. Dispensationalism and inerrancy handily deal with the problems that generates. So here's the thing----If the religion is called Christianity, why is so much of it focused on someone other than its namesake?

Some were even publicly ridiculed in death because their lack of believing supposedly caused them to die.

Sometimes in life we have to draw a line that separates thankfulness from rationalization.

Yes, though it is scientifically incorrect, it does make for an interesting metaphor. Not only did The Way turn up the heat slowly, they cautioned us to ignore changes in temperature and remain in the pot. That lesson takes place in session 7, the one in which Eve starts to question why the water seems to be getting warmer. Don't question it like Eve did. We all know what happened to her. "So, class, having done all, STAND! Don't you dare even budge."

You start out just checking out a twig fellowship to see what it's all about. "Well, you really need the class to fully understand." Next thing you know "Would you mind helping out with refreshments? We just need someone to make the coffee." Then "Could you come a little early and help set up chairs?" Not long after "We really need someone to help us find a rent free place for the next class." "Would you mind leading songs at the branch meeting?" And little by little you find that, while your help was initially praised, now you don't seem to be abe to do anything good enough to please them so you buckle down and try harder . On and on it builds until somehow you find yourself looking in the mirror one day and wondering how in blazes you wound up hundreds of miles from home, living in a commune, doing and saying things you never in your wildest dreams imagined before that fateful night when you first went to casually check out a twig fellowship. It had to happen in increments because no one would willingly jump from point A to point Z if they knew what path they would be taking to get there.

"NOT EVER......did I see wierwille operate any of those other six manifestations. You know, those revelation or power/action manifestations." Key #1. To receive revelation you must first become meek. (pg. 10 of AC syllabus) Hmmmmm. I think I might have uncovered the problem.

He used the revelation schtick to lend credibility to his pronouncements. He was no more tuned into a higher power than your average pet rock......and he knew it.

When I was in The Way, it was considered a sign of spiritual weakness to lack the ability to "believe" for whatever you might need, including healing. No one wanted to wear the badge of spiritual weakling. There was a great deal of pressure to resolve any problems you might have by using the law of believing. In the training programs, that pressure was ramped-up considerably. The law of believing is not really a law. In fact, it's not even Biblical. Sure, you can cherry pick a few verses here and there to make it appear to have scriptural basis but, in reality, it does not. In the 1950's and 1960's there was a movement we now refer to as New Age Thinking. It relies heavily on the works of people like Norman Vincent Peale (The Power of Positive Thinking), Robert Schuller (Hour of Power), Oral Roberts (Expect a Miracle) and many, many others. In the least common denominator, it simply promotes the idea that you control what happens to you, both good and bad, by the thoughts you entertain. That's covered in the PFAL class session that deals with the fire engine red curtains (positive believing) and the story of the little boy who died tragically, after being run over by a car (negative believing), because his mother harbored fear for his safety. There is even a contemporary version of it called The Secret (Rhonda Byrne). Here's a snippet from page 44 of PFAL (orange book): "What one fears will surely come to pass. It is a law." Nope, sorry, it's not a law. In addition, people fear all sorts of things that never come to pass. It's nonsense, plain and simple. And, it generates a lot of grief and guilt for those who are unable to make positive believing work for them. Originally, there were no bound books to accompany the PFAL class. Instead, there were little booklets with individual title subjects. They were later amassed into book form. One of the booklets dealt with what we now call the law of believing. In the booklet, it wasn't called the law of believing, it was called magic thinking or something along those lines. (Someone please correct me on the exact title). People literally died trying to make this stuff work. It's not a laughing matter nor should its ramifications be taken lightly..

You can continue to disbelieve it if you choose. No one can force you to accept that it's true. Fact is, though, "date and switch" was actually quite commonplace, especially whenever and wherever there were quotas to be met. (It wasn't called "date and switch" at the time.) You need not look any farther than the pages of GSC to find firsthand testimony to that effect. I, myself, am a product of it. You say you never personally witnessed it being used. I have no reason to disbelieve your experience. One thing you should take into consideration is that you only saw a very small part of what took place. Yes, I understand that three *tours of duty*, so to speak, may seem like a lot, but it only represents a tiny fraction of what went on. In regard to the physical violence you experienced, I'm sorry you were treated that way . No one deserves to have that happen to them. Again, I understand you never personally saw it, but there was plenty of physical violence, along with psychological abuse in The Way. In fact, there are even documented cases of murder (yes, murder) that happened on the W.O.W. field. Additionally, there was a lot of domestic violence, child abuse and sexual abuse that, although not directly sanctioned by The Way, was an indirect product of some of the distorted doctrines and lifestyle promoted by the organization. Wierwille , himself, is known to have drugged and then raped many young women at HQ and other locations. Some have come forth to give their testimony here. One has even written a book that you can read about on the front page of this site. You may not realize it, but VPW had thug-like bodyguards to insure his safety. One top leader even kept a gun in the teaching podium at HQ in case trouble should erupt during Sunday Night Service. You can read about these things on the front page of this site, also, from firsthand witnesses. Like yourself, many people are overwhelmed, flabbergasted to learn of these things for the first time. Much of it has been swept under the rug for a very long time. It's a lot to take in all at once. The purpose of GSC is to expose these ugly truths to the light of day for all to see. Click HERE for "Through The Fog". Click HERE for "Losing The Way".

He that complies against his will Is of his own opinion still Which he may adhere to, yet disown, For reasons to himself best known. Samuel Butler (1612-1680) 17th-century poem Hudibras. Part III, Canto iii, lines 547-550

If I had family still in, I would want them to leave of their own accord. Coercion to leave doesn't address the real problem of distorted thinking and unwillingness to think critically. If they are physically removed (willfully or forcibly) and retain the same mentality, there is limited benefit, at best. For starters, one of the most harmful doctrines The Way has promoted is the concept of magic thinking, otherwise known as the law of believing. (In the original PFAL class, it was called "magic thinking" or something similar.) Simply stated, it involves convincing oneself that they have the ability to change things in the physical world by simply using thoughts to think them into or out of existence. The Way is certainly not the only place this doctrine is promoted but my personal experience has been with The Way so I'll limit my remarks to that effect. My personal experience includes cases of people dying because they tried to believe their way out of situations that required serious medical intervention. It also includes watching people live with painful, unnecessary guilt, thinking it was their believing that caused bad things to happen or hindered good things from happening. I don't want to run this discussion off track. If anyone cares to further pursue a discussion of the law of believing, there are many existing threads that can be revisited using the search feature. Or, by starting a new thread on the subject. In summary: Would I want them out?......yes Would I force the issue?....No

"....an exodus of 2" Sounds more like an escape.

Witnessing was, in essence, an advertising campaign for PFAL. The Witnessing and Undershepharding class explicitly states that "The purpose of witnessing is to get people into the Power For Abundant Living Class." If I had my syllabus here, I could give you the exact page where that's stated. So, clearly, from the corporation's viewpoint, growth was measured by new sales/enrollments. When that growth was not taking place, TWI redefined the meaning of growth by cooking the books.

Thank you It's much easier and more inviting to read it this way.

Thus, following TWI logic, growth = attrition.

Maybe Way Productions will perform at the Sunday Night Service.

So, then, granting sexual favors for a chance of getting the recipient to enroll in PFAL is OK because they might get "delivered"? Now who's talking about "whoring for Jesus"???

post #23: "Not once in the 18 years I was in twi did I ever hear any leader promote this "whoring for Jesus" strategy." post#29: (same poster) "Of course I've heard of it. Even David Craley in his book 'In search of the light;the hope of glory' said he kind of got witnessed to that way. Eew. Even the 5th WC principle, make your physical body as dynamic as possible, whatever, could be inferred as that, couldn't it?"