waysider

Not even a nibble? Ok---Here's the answer. .....ArgentFREE POST!!!

"And Waysider I even said this next quote before you asked if I based my thinking on what I learned in PFAL. I may not be good with words like you all but I can read and I know you can to so why ask that from me?" That's a fair question. Let me back up a few quotes to put this in context. You stated: "Well, the good news is if you ever once for even a second believed in your HEART that Jesus was your Lord and that God raised him from the DEAD, you are going to be at the great gathering together whether you like it or not! And you will be thankful! And that's not VP, that's the Bible" I responded with: "If you're basing that on what you learned in PFAL, I suggest you give some serious thought to VPW's credibility." What you are presenting here is not what it says in the Bible. What you are presenting is what VPW "implied" it says in the Bible. VPW said a good many things that have been proven to be grievouly in error. Therefore, it only makes sense to examine this statement from a perspective outside of VPW's interpretation. In other words, his credibility is flawed on many issues. What makes you think this isn't one of them?

A big part of our lives is consumed by death, thinking about it, talking about it, worrying about it, preparing for it.... So, what if you kept everything else about Christianity the same but removed the afterlife aspect? Wierwille said, "If we get to Heaven and find out it isn't there, we will have had the best time going." The thing is, we didn't "have "the best time going". If we had, there would be no reason for a forum such as this. Many people have stated, though not on this particular thread, that one of the things about speaking in tongues that appeals to them is that "It's proof in the senses realm you're going to Heaven and all Hell can't stop you." It's even listed in the PFAL syllabus, in a somewhat round-about fashion, as being one of the benefits of speaking in tongues. But, what if you suddenly found out that might not be true? What if you were to find out that even Pagans speak in tongues and were doing so before Christ ever walked the Earth? What if speaking in tongues was, indeed, all the things listed in PFAL.....except proof of an afterlife. Death is a focal point, not only of Christianity, but many other religions as well. Maybe life, here and now, deserves more attention than the afterlife.

If you're basing that on what you learned in PFAL, I suggest you give some serious thought to VPW's credibility.

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Norm MacDonald commenting on death. CLICK

Bob Mathias, maybe? Or is it someone else I'm thinking of? Or was it Bob Richards?

I'm not sure how you figure I told anyone how and what they should believe. If you read my post again, without any preconceived notions of what my personal belief system might be, you might just find I said the opposite. If Baha'i works for you, keep it. If Catholicism works for you, keep it. If Buddhism works for you, keep it. It's when you start telling people your system is the only "genuine" system and theirs is "inferior" that conflict rears its ugly head. Why is it really anyone's business, other than mine, whether I walk through "the pearly gates" or not when it's all over? I try to live my life, as best I can, by The Golden Rule. (Every major belief system has a version of it.) If that's not good enough, then so be it. Let the chips fall where they may.

Yeah. That's what fellow laborers was supposed to be. Spend two years learning "stuff" and go back home as a better equipped leader. Uh huh. <_<

I won't ever leave-but you want me to stay nothing you could do-that could turn me away, hanging on every word-believing the things I heard being a fool

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"Mission Creep" Isn't that what it said on wierwille's name tag?

John, I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but, it's "black or white", "all or nothing" statements like this that prompt defensive responses from other posters. Regardless of your political leanings or mine, not ALL democrats accuse ANYONE (read:EVERYONE) who disagrees with Obama of being a racist. Aside from the fact that your analogy is a strawman meant to draw attention away from the other poster's position, it's not even a valid position in and of itself. It's not valid because it assumes the "absolute".

All I got was a dingy old truck stop. :(

I don't find it especially "sad" that some people longer consider themselves Christians. It simply is what it is. It will only make you "sad" if you believe that Christianity is the only valid belief system worth following. And, if that is the case for you, that's fine, as long as you don't use that belief to judge and rate others. That would be elitist. Some people, however, have found that other belief systems, or combinations of belief systems, work better for them. You have to go with what works for you, not the next guy. I suppose,though, a lot of it eventually comes down to the issue of eternal life. Not everyone views that as the single most important aspect of their belief system. For example, there is no eternal life aspect to Judaism. Does that make it a bad belief system to follow? Only if eternal life is the key element one is seeking. Even then, there are other belief systems besides Christianity that focus on the afterlife.

Celebrity recuitment is really quite a different animal. I like to call it trophy mentality. It's when you recruit someone who has an established celebrity status because you think it will make an impression on potential clients. It's not unique to The Way. In fact, it's actually a tried and true sales technique that used to be popular with door-to-door salesmen......Here's a slight variation on the technique:..."You know, Mrs. Jones, your neighbor, Mrs. Smith, just bought one of these. She loves it and you know what a great housekeeper she is.."

My grandmother always ran the grease through a strainer and put it in the "ice box" for future use. You haven't lived until you've had a cheese and tomato sandwich fried in bacon grease.

Used in context: Believer #1>>> I haven't see Joe around lately. Believer #2>>> That's because he tripped out about a month ago.

In The Way, it essentially meant you had forsaken your commitment to "the ministry"..

Speaking of jargon, I find it mildly amusing, for some reason, that, in The Way, "tripped out" meant something entirely different than it meant to the general populace. I'm just sayin'

John, what WW is talking about is "jargon", not "language" per se. I think you probably already realize that. This need to argue over the nuances of semantics seems to be a residual effect. I have often noticed it in people who have a previous history of involvement with The Way.

OMGeepers creepers! There are 3 T's in Twitter! That really DOES have heavy spiritual meaning!

It isn't easy , submersing yourself in all those rrrrrrrrivetting studies.

He wasn't MY uncle!