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Take the time to journey to the center of your mind. edit: This is a two-fer. You get "center" and "Ted" all wrapped up in one package.

Well, if you want to please God and serve His people, you need to strive to be at the center of God's will. <_<

I think, in essence, it's really a catch phrase describing one's level of commitment to The Way.

I think what hurt me was that, when I stopped going to twig, people who I considered to be my friends, for several years, just seemed to disappear. All that "We sure love you." stuff was just a bunch of B.S.

When my wife and I met, she was an "unbeliever". She took PFAL and the basic core of classes so we could be together. She never really bought into any of it but pretended to for my sake. We've been married almost 30 years.

How do you find this site and zoom in on the photo?

Now that I think about it, this was taught in Christian Family and Sex. This is a complicated subject to touch on lightly because it involves a lot of other intertwined matters, such as "fraternizing with devil spirits", and the "spirituality of intercourse" , blah, blah, blah. One thing's for sure----You were NOT supposed to marry an "unbeliever". And, how many people do you know that married someone they didn't, first, date?

Wierwille was an advocate of using Dare To Discipline and Hunt Close as child rearing guides. No. I'm not kidding.

When I said it wasn't formally taught, I meant that within the context of the PFAL class it wasn't expressly taught. Certainly, though, it was taught other places, such as in the Fellow Laborer program.

It was one of those sort of rules that existed but wasn't formally taught.

Thank you for responding to my post, erkjohn. Yes, instead of The Way helping men "find their own voice" (musician's term), it tried to cram us all into some sort of jello mold and force us all to sing identical cover versions of a song that may or may not have been a good key for us.

I get high when I see you go by---My, oh, my!

Driscoll on "The G-Word".

When I call you up, your line's engaged.

Exhibit A

I've watched both the youtube links. All I see is a guy giving HIS personal opinion of how HE thinks a male church member should conduct himself. What I DON'T see is how he has used the scriptures to reach this opinion. Wierwille was big on this stuff. Maybe that's why it rubs me the wrong way. I remember VPW saying in one of the classes (CF&S?) "Be a man!!" The emphasis was placed on conveyance of machismo. Wierwille grew up in a time and place where the concept of "manliness" (whatever that is) was emphasized. I saw men in "the ministry" start to imitate VPW in regard to "manly" interests such as guns, fishing, motorcycles and so on. I also saw men start abusing their wives and children because this image they were trying to live required that they absolutely be the one in control. When I was just a youngster, I remember a kid's book about "What Daddies Do". Some daddies are accountants, some daddies drive bulldozers, some daddies are dentists----and so on. Although by today's standards the book might appear lopsided, the bigger message being conveyed was that there is no single, perfect way to describe the role of a man. By Driscoll's (and VPW's) standards can a man in a wheelchair be a minister? Is he "manly" enough? What about a guy who happens to prefer the fine arts to monster truck rallies? This kind of thinking is culturally oriented. It's subservient to contemporary trends. In the one youtube, Driscoll takes exception to the "Bride" reference, citing manliness as a preclusion. Perhaps Driscoll needs to expand his thinking and realize that, not only is marriage not solely about sexual relations, but, that our view of what constitutes a marriage is vastly different than the views that existed 2,000 years ago.

I thought this was worthy of repeating.

Actually, it wasn't swept, cleaned, etc. (in the physical sense) when The Way took occupancy. We went there with Fellow Laborers to do cleaning and scrubbing. It was like the ancient city of Pompei, where people fled in mid-meal to escape the oncoming fury of an erupting Vesuvius. I remember the pond being completely neglected and overrun with thousands and thousands of Painted Turtles.

Here's something else to consider. When the previous owners vacated the property, they left much of their work in it's current state. For instance, the first time I was there, there was a room or rooms full of herbs and teas that were being hung to dry. It gave the impression that the workers had not finished and were planning to return. Things like that can play tricks on the sub-conscious. (Yes, I know Wierwille taught that the sub-conscious does not exist.)

I was only there a couple of times, but, I recall there were mineral springs on the property. They gave off foul smelling gases. The sense of smell has a way of stirring up old memories and emotions, even on a subconscious level. Perhaps these odors triggered a response to some unpleasant occurrences in the past.

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