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Linda In the upper right hand corner, you will see your screen name. Click on that and select the option, "Messenger" I don't know if that's the official method, but it seems to work for me.

One Mississippi, two Mississippi,three Mississippi-------- (Counting, as I wait for a response from S-09)

We've already discussed it amongst ourselves. We're waiting for you, now.

Is "familia" still considered a staple of the believer's diet? :P

It was a back-handed way of calling himself an apostle.

Do they teach the "law" of believing?

"The shocking yet immensely effective technique that transforms anyone—and I mean anyone—into universe-hopping utopian beings." But, Dad, I don't wanna hop no universal fallopian beans!!

Keep the hot dogs. I'll have a Bahama Mama.

Ahhh, yes. The secret message. It HAD to be in The Bible, of course, because that's the ONLY way God had to "talk" to us. Would have been funny to have been in the same room with Shakespeare as he composed The Sonnets. "Hey, Willy! Cool it with the sonnets. You're a playwright, fer cryin' out loud!"

Like this one?

"Psychology = BAD! Bible = GOOD!" ---------VP Wierwille (PFAL, 1967)----------------

Liberal Theology "The intentional adaptation of Christianity to modernity using insights from the new social sciences to redefine religious authority." Source: http://demo.lutherproductions.com/historytutor/basic/modern/stories/liberal-theology.htm ***************************************************** Sounds like fodder for a separate thread.

Roy It's not hard to understand why someone with a tender heart, such as yourself, would be disturbed by the video of the church singing "God Hates The World". Yes, the images of the children being used as pawns are quite disturbing. I have to wonder how the people who hold the legal copyrights to "We Are The World", which is the music being used for this, would react if they knew about it. They can force youtube to remove this due to copyright infringements and possibly pursue punitive action. Here is the real We Are The World.

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This isn't really about "liberal theology". It's about the arrogance of our thinking that we had to explain what God meant because of His inability to do so Himself.

The "plastic soup" issue is actually peripheral to my point. You can easily substitute another environmental issue of your choosing. As you noted, Wierwille's take on the subject fostered an atmosphere of irresponsibility. I have started to see remnants of that thinking in some recent posts. But, hey! No big deal. If Christ doesn't return soon enough, we can simply tap into "the magic of believing", as it was called in the original class materials, and everything will be "a-okay" again. (Doctor said so.)

We seem to have veered a bit off course. Here is the thread "starter" upon which this thread is based. To me, at least, it's perfectly clear what this writer was saying. (The analogy is there for the taking.)

During my time in The Way (1972-1990) I can recall VPW being asked about his opinion of environmental type issues. For the most part, he shrugged off the inquiries and said we needn't worry about such things because God saw the whole thing in His foreknowledge and that Christ would return before it would affect us. Now, remember, anything and everything that Wierwille stated in those days was accepted as being on a Gospel-like level. As a result, many people adopted a cavalier attitude about the environment and ecology. Recently, in various posts, I was somewhat surprised to see evidence that this attitude persists, even all these years after VPW's demise. Wierwille was not only wrong in what he taught about Bible verses, he was wrong to promote this destructive sort of attitude about our stewardship of the planet we call home. Here is a brief link to an alarming situation that defies this cavalier approach: A "plastic soup" of waste floating in the Pacific Ocean is growing at an alarming rate and now covers an area twice the size of the continental United States, scientists have said. The vast expanse of debris – in effect the world's largest rubbish dump – is held in place by swirling underwater currents. This drifting "soup" stretches from about 500 nautical miles off the Californian coast, across the northern Pacific, past Hawaii and almost as far as Japan. http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/the-worlds-rubbish-dump-a-garbage-tip-that-stretches-from-hawaii-to-japan-778016.html

Any particular examples come to mind?

I remember slapping creosote on the railroad ties but I don't recall that specific incident. I drove by the old place recently in the course of a work day. It seems the BRC may have been returned to its original usage as a party barn. At least that's what the sign at the edge of the parking lot indicates. I thought at first that the house out front had been torn down but on closer examination, discovered it was buried in weeds and overgrowth. Of course, the good news is that, somewhere underneath all that brush and bramble, there are some railroad ties that are probably in pristine condition.

Like hearing an 8 year old kid sing "To All The Girls I've Loved Before".

This is a good poll IMO. However, question #1 leaves no room for those who attended or graduated from Associate Degree programs. I have an A.A.S. in one field and was 10 hours short of a second when I "dropped out".

I found this passage to be particularly interesting: "Dr. Cath defined a cult as a group of people joined together by a common ideological system fostered by a charismatic leader, where, he said, ''the expectation is that they can transcend the imperfections and finitude of life.'' He said: ''Often they set up a we-they philosophy: We have the truth and you do not.'' In what Dr. Clark called healthy, valid groups, conversion is achieved in good faith without coercion, and the individual is encouraged to reconcile himself to his history, his family and his culture, even when he may be working for change in his society. ''But in destructive cults,'' said Dr. Clark, ''current and prior connectedness is denied.'' Dr. Clark said that the pattern of manipulated cult conversions may not appear especially radical to outsiders, since no one is beaten or otherwise physically harmed."

Yeah, I guess it is rather silly to think that today's 16 year olds don't know what sex sounds like.