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Is it Do You Believe In Magic? by Lovin' Spoonful?

Rhino While I agree with the point you are making, I am still curious if this expression came from a specific source. I think the earliest I can recall hearing it was about 1972 or 1973.

Happy smoke free birthday, Raf!

"I'd be dead today if not for Dr. Wierwille/PFAL." Through the years, even long before GSC, I have heard people use variations of this same phrase on so many occasions that it's difficult to estimate the number. Does anyone know where this phrase or line of thinking may have originated? Surely hundreds(maybe thousands) of people did not arrive at this "conclusion" all by themselves. Is it in a teaching, a song, a magazine article ? Where did this start? For one or two people to think this is expected, but hundreds is bizarre. Remember-----We're talking about a cult being attributed this virtue. Anyone know?

finallyunderstand Posted Today, 09:06 PM I don't remember if anyone ever said I was posessed. But there were several times I was told I wasn't "controllong my mind" or I was "out of control" just because I didn't agree with someone or something. Like the time when they tried to get me to pray for the board of trustees to either die or change. I disagreed in a meeting about having 24 hours of prayer for this. I refused to pray for anyone to die. OMG. Was I ever roasted. They all took turns ripping me to shreds. I was only a kid too. -------------------------------------------------------------- Oh my gosh! You were asked to pray for someone to DIE? How sick is that?

Hi Avondale Up on the top bar, you click on "live chat". There is a "lobby" as well as a place to talk one on one.

One problem that I am having with this discussion is that it seems to exclude those who are not of the Christian persuasion. Surely the difference between intentional and non-intention misdeeds exceeds the boundaries of one's particular religious beliefs

All this talk about "forgiveness" makes me wonder if maybe we shouldn't pause and define it. Sorta make sure we're talking about the same thing, know what I mean?

Everybody Picks On Me!

I like your "ruck sack" analogy, Ben, though "diddy bag" might be more appropriate for the current guests of GSC.

Maybe we're all just Waiting For Godot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

Maybe this is better suited to the doctrinal forum but, I think one must examine the meaning of "forgiveness" before committing to subjecting to it.

Ben Are you aware that VPW had direct ties to white supremacy/anti Semitic organizations, sympathized with Hitler and openly taught that The Holocaust was a fraud?

I feel no compassion for them.(VP and LCM) They chose the paths they followed. Likewise I feel no compassion for Hitler, Noreaga, Idi Amin or Musolini because they were "deceived by Satan". Anger for what they did or judgment of their actions could never make me "become as guilty as they are".

We all got duped-----All of us. When we handed someone our pen to sign the now infamous "green card", we were part of it. When we sat in front of the twig and expounded on the amazing (cough) "law" of believing, we were part of it. When we went door-to-door or mall witnessing to entice people to sign up for PLAF (The Wonder Class), we were part of it. When we refused to allow a brother or sister to voice a "negative" but rather insisted they "renew their mind", we were part of it. And------------- we thought that what we were doing was helping people.

Sound the alarm, it's Radar's birthday.

Kinda reminds me of this:

Thanks, Chas I had never heard that song before.---by anyone. Great lyrics and heartfelt delivery. I'm sure I will listen to it again----and again

Hi, Dana I'm pretty sure we never met. One thing I didn't realize until I started visiting here is how large the whole operation was at its peak. So, if it seems like people don't remember you, it's probably not because you were a "mouse".

This is slightly--- Here is something I have posted before related to the space program. http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

I never thought he was there either. It says he hanged himself but I'm not sure about the straightway part My point was that VP used his convoluted logic to teach something that defied conventional thought. And, that we bought into it many times because we falsely believed he had some sort of insider information.

Interesting stuff, Tom. "Signs, miracles and wonders followed them who believed." (Not BECAUSE they believed) It's a descriptive modifier telling us who these people were, not what they did. PS---Your presence here has been missed. Don't be a stranger.

Yes, David that is how recall it as well. (Except, I think it was taught that the "guardian angels" only watched over us until we reached the age of accountability or until we were born again if that came first.) I seem to recall it was a very short section of scripture in Hebrews that was used to supposedly "prove" this. This was also used back-handedly to reinforce the fear of leaving "The Household". (ie:) If you leave, there will be no angels to help, only Christ in you. But the catch was that it very difficult(maybe impossible, don't recall) to "connect" with the Christ in you when you are "out of fellowship" which, of course, you would be by leaving the household. So, by virtue of logic, leaving the household put you in a situation where the Christ in you was like money in the bank you couldn't withdraw. Ergo, if you want the power of God in your life, you can never leave. TWI was a sick and twisted way of life. (IMO)