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ANECDOTES!!!! Oops, was that too loud? We need anecdotes. There ought to be a gazillion of them, one would think. Mr. B.---- your example was, in fact, an anecdote. Keep 'em comin'!

Whole Lotta Love was written by Willy Dixon(like so many other blues/rock classics) and popularized by Muddy Waters in the early 1960s. Originally it was called You Need Love". As with a lot of early bands from the UK, most of Zep's material was reworked and vamped up "blues" that they "borrowed". Many of these old tunes have lyrics that feature men strutting and boasting and bragging about their manhood. Singing these songs was one of the few ways they had to release the frustration of having to spend their days being called "boy" and having to kowtow to "The Master". "Now I'm a Man. That's spelled M.---A.---N. No B.--O.--Y." Another great Willy Dixon tune that Muddy did was "I Just Want To Make Love To You" which the Stones later popularized. Muddy reprized it on his Electric Mud album in the late sixties. If you ever have a chance to hear it, you will probably giggle the next time you hear old Mick sing it. It will definitely seem milk toast in comparison. Now where were we? Oh, yeah--- The Green Card. I guess this idea of "borrowing" material is really nothing new.

I know how very serious this subject is so please don't misinterpret my post. I work in a very small office and we all know each other quite well. One day, one of the ladies said to me," I won't be in tomorrow morning, I have a doctor's appointment." Instinctively, I responded, "Is everything alright?" I wasn't trying to pry, it just came out of my mouth. "Oh yeah", she said. "I'm just using some vacation time to go to "Squeeze Fest". Oh, had I a golden thread, And a needle so fine,. I would weave the bravery Of women giving birth.-----------------Pete Seeger

It's really just my opinion, but I feel like the "doctrinal" forum is more of a debate type forum. You know----- "the scriptures say this", and "according to such and such study---". If someone feels they would like to approach it from that angle, they can certainly still do so in the "doctrinal" forum. This is more like what some people call a "testimonial". (ie: This was my experience.) Please feel free to move your own response here if you feel it might be more comfortable here or leave it where it currently is. You be the judge.

I originally posted this in doctrinal but maybe it fits here better. Personal anecdotes only, please. Doctrinal debates about this topic can be addressed in the Doctrinal forum. There is already a current thread for that purpose.

Can you illustrate how the "law of believing" was a causative factor?

Actually, Larry, I'm not so sure The Bible says "people" will go to hell. It does talk about a special place being reserved for certain spirits, but not people. I could be wrong. I haven't looked at that matter for quite some time.

Are those the only options? Do you think it is possible to say, ----------- " I did not receive, (not because God and His Word are a lie or because of my unbelief or the unbelief of others), but, rather, because the so called "Law" of believing is unfounded and has no merit as an absolute law."? You see, that way you are not blaming God or his Word or yourself or those whose "unbelief" foiled your results, you are putting the blame where it belongs. You are putting it on the reality that this so-called "law" is a sham.

Maybe it was supposed to help you "polish" your delivery? :unsure:

Johniam I'm not trying to pick on you, but do you not see the obvious contradictions in your own post? First you quote I Cor. 14:27 where it clearly states,"let one interpret." Then you excuse the fact that interpretation was not given by suggesting that the words of Dr. Wierwille were somehow on a parallel with the words of the apostle Paul. Next, you ignore the fact that it states,"at the most by three." Sorry, I fail to see how that is giving any scriptural credibility to excellor sessions. Whether or not you do it in an orderly fashion is not the issue here. There is still no scriptural support to "practice"your fluency.

Your Mind Is On Vacation-----Mose Allison

OMG!, Groucho! I actually remember sitting in on a session on how to run "Public Ex." meetings that encouraged us to use that exact line!!

Yeah, I guess you guys are right. "Olde English" is a malt liquor that is sold in 40 ounce bottles. Errrr----That's what the guys at work told me. "Say, Kids!!!!---------- Let's have an old fashioned "Biblical Research" party!!!" First one to find a scripture reference or scriptural support for "Excellor Sessions" gets a kewpie doll and a year's supply of "green cards".

Yeah, yeah, Sure, sure Uh huh We were a cult and all that---- but---but--but--- HEY!!! As cults go, we were the BEST! cult!!!! ( That's why we kept tellin' each other, "You're the BEST!.")

Yeah!! Who needs namby-pamby words like "will" when we can get big power packed words like SHALL. Philippians 4:19 " My God shall supply all your need according to your believing." OOPs! That last part was supposed to be "according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus."

Ting tang walla walla bing bang---- Saaaaay! isn't that the one about the "Witch Dr."?!!!

Angels not only speak English, they speak "Olde English"! For yea verily I say unto you, "dost thou not knowest this?"

Is the word "commit" the same as the word " serve"? I'm just askin'--------------

"I Will Survive"---Gloria Gaynor?

And yet another of those statements that sounds really noble but has no basis in scripture or reality.

Remember in session 12 when Dr. W. talked about a guy who had a tongue that was merely grunts and groans and guttural sounds? He used this to persuade us that it did not matter what your tongue sounded like because it came from God. This was intended(imo) to relax class members who were self conscious of their "tongue" and encourage them to "manifest" no matter what it sounded like. So here's my question: If it didn't matter that this guy's "tongue" sounded wacky, how come we had to have practice sessions to make ours sound eloquent? <_< I'm just sayin'---------- " ---tongue words have vowels, consonants, and syllables."------johniam ( Not necessarily true according to VPW in session 12.)

" Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health." Would you agree, that is a statement of " availability"? Would you agree that it is not only available but high on God's priority list? I really don't think you can use the "it wasn't available" ticket to get out of jail on this one. People endured financial hardships and physical suffering(some even died) because their "believing" was supposed to be the magic bullet that delivered what The Word clearly states is "available". "Nope, not God's fault, you just weren't 'believing'." ERGO------"It's your own fault."

Mike, I have seen this exact same method used to teach theatrical students how to be fluent in improvisation. They "invent" a language and then do a variety of exercises that includes the ones you described. Dr. W. said that SIT could not be faked and yet there is evidence that he, as well as many others, did exactly that. Any other former thespians here ever do this exercise? When I inquired about what I had seen in the theatre, I was told that what I saw was a counterfeit propounded by devil spirits because there was no "interpretation" given and it did not follow the prescibed format for a " believer's meeting". Seems like that is the same thing done in an "Excellor Session". Did "Excellor Sessions" follow the rules set forth in the TIP class?(Intermediate) or were they exempt?