waysider

MAN--------Maybe you could claim that is an acronym(You know, like M.A.N.="most acrobatic ninja"---or something) Anyway, I'm kinda bummed that everybody already gave you all the GOOD advise.( Not really :) ) Welcome to the Cafe! Oh, don't forget there is a PM feature. I don't use it very much because I like to say most things publically but it comes in very handy for loaning each other books, etc. and for maybe stating personal info. that really does not pertain to the general community. :dance:

My daughter isn't either, Jean, because I don't have one. The scenario being discussed is hypothetical. Just for a brief time, imagine youself to be the mother(hypothetically) of one of these woman who have come forth and stated their experiences. Remember the old saying----------"Walk a mile in my shoes"? You have come, rather strongly, to the defense of your real life daughter. I suspect your reactions to this type of activity, as a parent, would be highly charged with outrage. Am I wrong to suppose this? I hope not. Mr. Hammeroni-------It would seem that even Mr. Allen was not beyond a bit of "borrowing" himself. That is actually a very famous quote that predates Howard. It was spoken by someone who actually had attained a high level of esteem beyond the cornfields of "Ahiya". While it may not be so bad to use a famous quote that seems to fit the circumstance, it's definetly not cool to claim it as ones' own much less allow people to think it may have been Divinely inspired.

Jesus Christ is not Chuck Norris Ya see, 'cause Chuck Norris is God and if Jesus is Chuck Norris------------ AHH! Never mind!

Dear Mr Lone Wolf McQuaide You have stated in your post #99 that considering statistics relating to Scientology or Islam is of no value because they are, in your words, "false religions". Would you care to expound on what you deem to be a "real" religion? Perhaps you might even expand that to explain why The Way should be defined as a "real" religion. BTW This Thread is not about God. This thread is not about Jesus. This thread is not about Lucifer. This thread is not about how God has no hands but our hands This thread is not about how many lost souls got saved in your fellowship. This thread is about answering the question: Was VPW "the real deal"? Since no one has yet to define the term "real deal", perhaps you would care to offer some enlightenment in that respect. Waysider (a name that carries a good deal of totally intentional ambiguity)

Nope.(See post #52)

"Do you really believe that Wierwille has done anything close to deserving eternal death?" Not my call to make. After hearing accounts of his physical disgressions,though, it has occurred to me that , as heinous as they were, they didn't compare to how he spiritually raped some of us, depriving us of ever trusting any organized religion or organization again. edited for spelling error

Well, there you have it. Now we have a thread of good and a thread of bad. Maybe we could do the Ben Franklin thing where we make two lists and see which outweighs the other.

Well, this is off topic, but I couldn't resist the chance to respond to it. ChattyKathy mentioned that our ABS is used to help fund TWIs' monitoring activities of GSC . I'm not sure exactly why, but it kinda tickles me that my hard earned dollars are being wasted to see if my hard earned dollars are being wasted. Anothern---------You can't change the past. If it helps with your recovery to "spill your guts", I'm more than happy to offer a receptive ear. As a parent,myself, I can understand the disdain others may feel. But, hey, Would it be better if you had just kept this information hidden? If it's OK with you, I will pray for your continued recovery.

If no anecdotal evidence is produced, how can anyone possibly remember the good or bad things VPW did for The Way Ministry? "Hey! I'm just sayin'------Stop yellin' at me!"

Chuck Norris = Lone Wolf McQuade =Walker, Texas Ranger. Man! ------This trinity stuff is really starting to gel for me! Oh sorry, that's on another thread.

Sorry Belle. I was just having a little fun. Thank you for posting that thought provoking information. Good to see your posts again. edited for spelling.

UMMM.------------ Is there any wheat gluten in beer? No particular reason for asking.-------Just wondering. :unsure: :unsure:

Ummm. Did you want it to be?

Kathy------DialThis is fine, though his wife could use a few prayers regarding her ongoing struggle with diabetes. I will tell him you inquired. I'm sure it will bring a smile to his face. Is that off topic? Maybe not. It's all about connecting with friends,right?

I can't do anything high tech here so I haven't been able to look/listen to this. I do know ,though, that David Seville used to create the "Chipmunk" music by performing in a regular voice while the recording tape ran at a slow speed. He would then play it back/record it at normal speed and thus create that high pitched chipmunk sound and yet maintain & preserve the correct metre so as not to sound like a tape that was being played at high speed. Of course, this digital world we live in makes all that stuff much simpler to do.

VPW was "the real deal". Was he? Please define what it means to be "the real deal". Maybe then we'll have an objective criteria by which to judge.

Oh, for goodness sake! Maybe poor Elmo is overdo for a good tickle. HeeHeeHee. BTW---My real name is Rumplestiltskin Rabinowitz-JonesIII. Now tell me. If you had that name, would" Waysider" be so out of the question?

Great idea, Polar Bear :eusa_clap:

"More harmonica in the home" Hey! that's what I thought it said on the green card! That's why I took "the class". Believe it or not, there is actually a book titled "Harmonicas, Harps, and Heavy Breathers(The Evolution of the People's Instrument)" by Kim Field. Pretty good book if you have any interest in the history of the instrument or bios of key players. Kinda lengthy for the casual reader, though(325 pgs.) It has some great black and white photos too. "Have fun while you can, fate's an awful thing." THE T-BONE SHUFFLE by T-Bone Walker :)

This is not directed at any particular post or poster. I was never in the WC so I never had to write the aforementioned paper. I do recall, however, having to fill out a rather personal questionnaire as part of the Christian Family and Sex class.(as a student) Later, as a class instructor, I recall having the students fill out the same questionnaire and being instructed by HQ to immediately seal them in an envelope without looking at them and sending them to HQ. This would have been in about'73 or '74. What was the purpose of this? Was it somehow related to all this stuff? I don't know the answer to those questions. Seeing it in retrospect, however, it is kinda creepy to think of a so-called "ministry" having any valid need to know personal information of this nature about people they were not professionally counselling or actively involved with in some sort of therapy. Anybody remember those questionnaires?

Lots of chromatic blues players out there to serve as role models. Check out Rod Piazza. He plays that big octive style that has become so popular. Kim Wilson and Mitch Kashmar, too. Then, of course were the giants, William Clarke and Paul Delay who are no longer with us. But the granddaddy of them all was George"Harmonica" Smith who taught and mentored so many great players throughout his career.

Man, is it hot in here or is it me? I don't think anyone is denying the fact that there were many fine men and women in The Way. Nor do I think anyone is ignoring that there were local areas where these things were not the norm. The fact remains, however, that this line of thinking and modus operandi was deeply rooted at the highest level. Herein lies the gist of the issue, at least in my opinion. We are discussing what happened at the International Headquarters level, not what happened in Philly, LA, Detroit or Cleveland.(Lot's of good stuff happened in Cleveland.I know because I was there) We are discussing the reality that VPW said one thing and did quite another. We are discussing the fact that he had an inner circle of people who knew full well what was really going on and participated as well. We are discussing the reality that lots and lots of innocent people were duped by VPs' deliberate falsehoods and many paid a very high price for their involvement even though they may have participated quite innocently with the best of intentions in their hearts. And lastly, we are faced with having to admit to ourselves that we were commited, heart and soul, to a cause that was,perhaps, built on false pretenses. edited for typos

Polar Bear-------Congratulations! That 64 is one mighty fine piece of equipment. Mighty fine! As you may know, the chromatic is as much a different instrument from the diatonic as the sax is from the trumpet. I have a 64 (4 octave) as well as several 3 octave chromatics. I play them mainly in third position because I play blues. This means that your 64, which is in C Major, would be used to play in D. (That danged circle of fifths again). The advantage of the 3 octave models is that they are available in a variety of keys other than C but they don't have that lower octave that is the signature of the 64. If you have never played a harmonica before, the first stumbling block you will face is learning to play single notes. The most common way to approach this on a chromatic is to use what is called tongue blocking. Using this method, you place your mouth over 4 holes and use your tongue to cover the 3 holes to the left of the hole you want. This technique is especially important if you choose to play classical pieces because some passages require a reversal of the blocked side. It can be quite frustrating to develope this technique. What I personally recommend, is that, at least for starters, you learn what is called the "U" block. To do this, you roll your tongue into a "u" shape and place it under the hole you have chosen. Even if you choose to abandon this method in favor of tongue blocking,you will at least have overcome the frustration of learning how to get a single note. (Don't force it into this position, just let it relax) This will probably seem natural for you because it resembles the embouchure used to play trumpet. One very good place to get supplies and instructionals is a place called "The Best Li'l Harp House". I don't know how to link you but goggle will take you right there. I like the series that Charlie Musselwhite has because it parallels diatonic lessons beside chromatic lessons but this may not be what you are after because it is focused on blues. Another good place to check out is called "harp-l". It is a forum where, on any given day, you are likely to find posts from novices to world renown classical players. Some of the best players in the world come here to nurture and encourage. Good luck! it's the only instrument that is played both on the inhale as well as the exhale(as far as I know)

WG-----Yeah! I remember Randy. I didn't personally know him like I knew you or your hubby but he always seemed like a straight up kind of guy to me. So sorry to hear of his passing. Please accept my belated condolences. Waysider

MMMMM! Bach on classical guitar! Now we're gettin' somewhere!