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Hmmmm! I said "Throw in heart and soul" but I meant to say "heart and mind". Maybe I should have posted that in "Name That Tune". :blink:

I don't have any scriptures to back this but then again I'm not saying anybody should blindly accept it. Here's my take on it. All three are mixed together like a marble cake. Throw in heart and soul too if you like. It might just jazz up the recipe. Now if a marble cake is baked correctly, no one flavor will out balance the other. With the new birth, however, the spirit takes on a place of dominance and becomes more pronounced than the other ingredients.( kinda like cream rising to the top in raw milk) That's just the way I see it. I could be way off base Dang, that made me hungry!

By golly, K-2, I believe you are correct!

We've already said "so long" I don't want to see you go

I don't remember the exact wording but I remember the context in which it was presented. Early in the PFAL class, VPW is talking about how people read around the Word and about The Word but often fail to actually read The Word itself. He talks about how various denominations use what are known as "daily devotionals", known also as "aids to devotion". Some of these devotionals are free standing and some are cummulative in the way they are presented. These are sections of scripture that you make your theme for the day. Wierwille ridiculed this approach and said we should let the Holy Spirit( or was that *holy spirit*?) dictate what we read,study and teach. Obviously, this programmed approach is exactly what became the norm in TWI as time progressed and everything became tightly controlled. So to partially answer your question, he was not saying that The Word is not helpful as an aid to your devotion, he was saying that The Word is not an "aid to devotion">(ie: a prepackaged lesson plan) I no longer have my PFAL book(Funny story there) but maybe someone who does can help you a bit more.

But if you do, remember that brown shoes don't make it. (Just ask Susie Creamcheese.)

I'm sure most of us who sat through PFAL remember how this verse was handled. VPW taught that your "name" represents everything related to you . Therefore God magnified the Word(considered it more important) above everything else related to Him. A modern day translation might be that "nothing is more important than the Word" The problem with this is that it assumes that people in an ancient culture assigned the same significance to the word "name" as VPW said it has in this time we are currently in. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. I don't personally know. I don't honestly have the skills and know-how to accurately research that question. I think, though, that to do an honest study of that question, one would have to use an array of tools that were not part of the PFAL class. Remember the "lambano" example? It went something like: Lambano---lamballo ----ballo ----ball ----throw--- throw it out ----throw it outward------manifest----SIT!!! How's that for a scholarly approach to defining a word? <_<

I'm sure you'll find your answer if you follow the yellow brick road.

BB Thank you for the insight. I know a lot of us don't stop to consider that people ride bikes for a multitude of reasons. Glad to hear you are "on the mend" and able to enjoy your newly found mobility. Waysider

Don't you even try tellin' me That you want me to end it this way 'Cause, darlin', darlin' Can't you see I want you to stay? HINT: Even though this was the first big hit in a long string of successes, it is not typical of the type of music the group is known for.

OK------I'll put this one out of its misery. Timothy---The Buoys.

Lone Wolf Heck, I didn't even know about what was going on with the guys much less with the gals. :blink: I do know of one incident in particular where a female WC grad (Area Leader) had her designs set on a particular male subordinate. She constantly manipulated schedules and circumstances to ensure that she would be alone with him. This would have been in about 1977 or 1978. He was married and had a child. His wife was furious about the situation. The AL being discussed tried to use the situation to leverage her upward mobility in the organization. He was not the least bit interested in this particular woman and that really insulted her. She eventually got reasigned to another area and that was the end of the story. I didn't place any significance on it that would have been unique to The Way. At the time, I saw it as the same type of thing that happens in countless other organizations. I'm confident this kind of thing probably happened elsewhere because that is part of human nature. But then again, I'm not the brightest bulb in the lamp when it comes to recognizing this type of thing.

The doctor is out. He'll be right back--- with more demented music. Hmmm. That reminds me. Maria Muldauer is coming to my fair city pretty soon. She was a member of "Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks" way back in the day when Dr. D. used to feature them with regularity on his show. I think I may just have to check out her show even though chances are slim she will perform "Midnight at the Oasis" or "Don't You Feel My Leg". edited for 2x post

Welcome, Mrs. B. May I call you Mrs. B. or does that sound too much like Mrs. T., the pierogy lady?

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Man, this just shows how powerful music can be. It can really eat away at your psyche. The band had one stinkin' hit and yet the lyrics still keep floatin' around in our minds. BTW-----There was a Way album by the same title as this song.

I'm not so sure I heard it actually "taught" but I remember being "told" about this. This was supposedly part of why Psalms was written. We used to make up impromtu music and sing the Psalms. Not to appease the devil spirits but because we tried to imagine what they (Psalms) might have been like originally. Music has charms to soothe the savage breast To soften rocks or bend a knotted oak---------- from "The Mourning Bride" by Wm. Congreve(17th century)

I tried watching This Stuff but I think I may have broken something in my face. Ouch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGE_Fd9B6-4

Through The looking Glass You asked that I clarify my point regarding Fred Brito. On another thread,"All the women-----", someone suggested that perhaps VPW may not have believed all that he expounded from the podium.(my paraphrasing) Someone else responded with this quote," Are you suggesting that somebody can teach something so specific, so faithful for so long, so positive and exalting of Jesus Christ, and not really believe it himself? Preposterous." Fred Brito has been doing that very thing since about 1970. He impersonated city officials, PhD's, medical experts, professional fund raisers and,yes, even a Catholic priest,(a man of the cloth) with a great deal of success and belief on the part of those he was deceiving. All the while he himself was fully aware he was living a falsehood. One common thread that appeared in the testimony of those he had duped was that most of them said something like"Gee, he did so many good things,too." Now where have I heard that before? As to the funeral: We can only know the facts surrounding the event, such as who invited him, how he got there, etc. We can only speculate on what was in his heart and mind at the time. Maybe he had gotten to a point in his life where he was able to forgive VPW.(He was about 80 at the time). Maybe he thought it was good PR for his own ministry. Or maybe he was just a classy guy who was willing to forsake his own ego to further a cause he really believed in. I don't know if any of those examples explains it nor can anyone else for certain unless they have some inside information that originated with BG himself.

Roy Nothing to add. Just wanted to say Holy hugs, Bro

Hiya, Mag Twin Plagerism really is quite a serious issue, especially when it is done to deceive God's people. I encourage you to spend a bit of time looking at some of the info that is available here for newcomers. If nothing else, step over to "The Reading Room" and play a little "Name That Tune" with us. Welcome to GSC!!

Did B.G. attend VP's funeral? Did they have a personal relationship? Did B.G.mind having his work plagiarized? These are all moot questions and do not for a moment negate or justify what VP did. He lied about getting his information directly from God. (He stated that he tossed all extraneous materials when he began his search. Obviously a falsehood.) He lied about having information that was unknown to anyone but himself. (Again, an obvious falsehood) This evening I watched an airing of Dateline, the TV show. The subject of the show was how a con man named Fred Brito assumed multiple identities and won over the trust of numerous people in the process. When interviewed, people who were unaware of his deception spoke glowingly of what a benevolent man he was. They were shocked to discover otherwise. Still, that does not alter the cold, hard fact that the man deceived and conned countless people for the last three decades. A quick visit to BG Leonard's web site(ctcoftexas.com) will display the forward to his book "Gifts of The Spirit". Allowing for some obvious paraphrasing, the gist of the forward may sound hauntingly familiar to anyone who has sat through PFAL. I guess we could speculate on whether or not BG and VPW wore the same shoe size but it only draws attention away from the real issue at hand,VPW abscounded BG's work and claimed it was his own. Through The Looking Glass----------- I hope that did not sound like an attack on you personally. That was not at all my intent and I apologize if it came across that way.

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Capt. S. That whole scenario about God teaching Wierwille The Word like it hadn't been known for 2,000 years is a lengthy and disheartening path to explore. He took these "new" truths ( in some cases "word for word") from the likes of B.G. Leonard, Stiles,Bullinger,etc.,etc. The PFAL class, the Holy Spirit book, the figures of speech study,even the characters of Maggie Muggins and Henry Bulloco were "lifted" from the works of others who came before him. Hence, "Like it hadn't been known" was an outright fabrication. There is a ton of information here related to that very subject. I am not very proficient at helping someone navigate this site. If there is something in particular you would like to find, I'm sure you only need ask directions. Waysider