waysider

Pling--Pling----Pling Twang----Twang------Twang Whew!---What a relief. Just wanted to make sure this thing wasn't busted.

Greetings, Wrdsandwrks Welcome to GSC Making a marriage work for 25 years(TWI or not) is not always an easy task. Congratulations to you both. May the future hold 25 more. Waysider

Happy Birthday, Watered Garden. >"Knock, Knock" >"Who's here?" >RETIREMENT!-----------Let's get this party started!"

Yup, you got it. Here's the verse I always liked: Saw a man walkin' upside down My TV's on the blink Made Galileo look like a Boy Scout Sorry 'bout that, let it all hang out Let It Out(Let It All Hang Out)--------The Hombres---1967

Ya see, here's da thing, Roy My age is listed as unknown because I'm older than dirt and nobody knows for sure how old dirt really is. Now, on da gender thing. If you look at my avatar, you will see that a certain aspect of my person is depicted in da picture. No, I am not da howling hound dog on da right.(stage left for da theatre geeks). My harmonica playing,on da other hand, has been compared to da sound of a hound dog in pain. That's a good thing, right? So there ya go! Now it should be at least as clear as muddy water. Just funnin' wit ya, Roy! Holy Hugs, Bro. Ps.--------I have no idea why I felt compelled to post widda Chicago accent!

Jade East. Hey!-----It worked in the '60's! Oh, Sorry, you said "real good quality". Guess I'll have to revise that to-------------English Leather.

I have thought for a while, how, for many of us, our lives were impacted by communal living. For many of us who were involved in programs such as Way Corps, Fellowlaborers, Way Home, WOW,Minuteman, etc., a big part of what may have made a lasting impression on us was the fact that we lived, to varied degrees, a lifestyle that was essentially a "commune". Not the Hollywood version of flower power, drugs and freewheeling "do your own thing", but the very real, textbook version of a "service" commune, dedicated to a unified mission. For those who did not experience this aspect of TWI, please jump in and comment or ask questions or it's liable to get boring pretty fast. My personal brush with the "commune" aspect of TWI came as a Fellowlaborer, an experience I may share in due time. Any questions, comments or snide remarks will be welcomed at this time. OK----Try to go a little easy on the snide remarks.

I came here via a similar route as Bumpy, through a google search. I throttled back to local involvement in the early '80's and then finally drifted away in the early '90's when family commitments took precedence. I had no desire to go back to the "organization" but still felt a love for God and his Word. I continued to talk to people about what I thought I knew about The Word and frequently lent out materials. When my last copy of PFAL came up "mia", I started looking for a replacement and, of course, I thought The Way would be a logical place to get one. That's where my journey here started. I lurked for a while, astonished to find out how much I had been oblivious to the real essence of TWI. When you talk to outsiders, you have to start on page #1. Here, you can skip right to chapter #10 and and still understand each other. Ironically, I currently have a co-worker who went through many of these same experiences in a cult that I had never even heard of. When we talk about some of these things, we can skip to chapter# 10 as well. We have some great conversations. Another thing I think many of us have in common is that we experienced communal living. How many people are you likely to meet in this lifetime whose opinions are tempered with the experience of living in a commune? I think I may start a thread on this subject. And to be honest, some things here are just plain fun, like talking about music and TV shows and silly jokes. I also like to visit the prayer thread and offer up my prayers, though I don't usually make my presence known. Sure, I have some regrets about what life might have been like had I never stumbled on TWI,but, what's done is done. I think, in some respects, that I was fortunate that my experiences were not as extreme and damaging as some I have witnessed here on GSC. I hope that doesn't have a disrespectful or gloating tone to it. All in all, it's a comfy place to "let your hair down" and enjoy life in this cyber world we live in.

Not trying to step on any toes here, but, if no one minds, I thought I would toss in an easy one (I hope) just to keep the party going while we wait for Pawnbroker. A preachment, dear friend You are about to receive On John Barleycorn, nicotene and the temptations of Eve. No parking by the sewer sign Hot dog, my razor's broke Water dripping up the spout But I don't care-----------------------. Hint: It was released the same year that the "Summer of Love" took place. (Now that's what I call Pre-'86!) :)

Hi Joe. We met briefly,not long ago, in Guitar Talk. I would like to hear more about this current guitar venture you are working on. You mentioned you are a blues fan. Do you do much with bottleneck or open tunings? Hopefully we will meet again in Guitar Talk. Waysider---------

What am I doing wrong? I still see the same one as usual. Hmmm! Maybe if I believe a little harder---------- :)

VPW and his "crew" were not only fond of borrowing doctrinal material but also were known to borrow anecdotal material as well. Consider,if you will, the anecdote of teaching to the trees. This one was "borrowed" from Billy Graham. There are others as well that have been documented to have been borrowed. It would not suprise me a bit to find this instance in the writings of E.S. Jones, since he spent so much time in India himself. It also seems like somewhat of a modern day reenactment of Mark 3:1-5. I believe VPWs' recounting of this story was in PFAL session one and also in the corresponding section of the PFAL book. In the opening session of the advanced class, he(VPW) taught a similar story about a man looking for his wife who was arriving on a train.He used this one to teach word of knowledge. He may have borrowed these from Rufus Mosely or Glenn Clarke or any one of the many others whose names he mentioned in his teachings. Whether it's true or not, what puzzles me is this: Here is this guy who says he doesn't believe in Jesus who gets the healing while we, on the other hand, were supposed to SIT endlessly, go to endless meetings, learn scripture after scripture after scripture and so on in order to be considered worthy of Gods' blessings in our lives and most of us saw zip in the way of results. OOPS! I just realized he was using this to sell us on the validity of that whacky "law of believing". What was I thinking?

I find it an interesting topic to read but have little to contribute in the way of posting experiences.

"While I am on the subject, let me make myself more unpopular." ---------Full Circle------------------- Why?, because you are not afraid to open up and speak what's on your mind? I, for one, think you brought up quite a few valid points. I do agree with you on being told what to expect and then using that to justify an experience. The experience I posted (#34) happened before I even knew what "revelation" was. That's why it concerned me so much and I sought the advise of the twig leader. I had been "in The Word" for only a matter of days, perhaps a week at that point. Another experience I had happened years before my involvement with TWI and involved something my Dad said to me that had to have come from somewhere other than his own thinking simply because it was so immediate and had a profoundly lasting effect. Outside of these and a few that were similar, I never really saw "The Manifestations" happening at all, especially DOS which always seemed to me to be more like the discerners' "Freudian Slip Showing". Charging for classes: Heck! The Fu!!er Brush Man charges for brushes doesn't he? PFAL and the rest of the classes were merely "the brushes" that TWI hawked in order to build a financial empire at the expense of their unwitting customer base.Unlike TWI,though, the Fu!!er brush man didn't try to convince you he was tapped into some holy wisdom that could change your life. He just offered a better way to clean your toilet. Hmmm. There's an analogy hiding in there but I can't quite put it into words.

Here's the thing. Those of us who were around for the VPW years had a tendency to hang on his every word and suggestion because we thought that maybe it was: A.) revelation B.) rooted in a deep spiritual understanding of the scriptures C.) a combination of both In reality, it was nothing more than the personal opinion of a guy who grew up on a farm, in rural Ohio, during The Great Depression. Add to that, a fondness for pretending that things he said and wrote originated with him. He also was quite fond of leaving us to draw our own conclusions as to whether what he spoke was divinely inspired or not. Just because VP said "this is how it is" or "this is what the scriptures say", really means very little in light of what we now know about what the real VP was like. What if Farmer Jones had told us the same things? Would we place such a high value on their importance? I think,too, we must consider the culture that existed when The NT was current and try to understand some of the directives in it in that light. Sure, truth is truth, but we do not live in that culture and must temper our understanding with that realization. The pay and promotion indiscrepancies are very real, not just in third world counties, but right here in good old hometown US of A. Much of this is not likely to change drastically in our lifetimes. That is why we as individuals must make a consentrated effort to try to rise above these inequities on a daily basis. That's just my opinion--------everybody has one.

This is a man's world But it wouldn't be NOTHIN' Without a woman or a girl---------James Brown(The Godfather of Soul) Now, if you like your commentary with a little musical accompaniment,you just might like to check out a group called-----------Saphire: The Uppity Blues Women--------These ladies are world class musicians and pull NO punches when it comes to stating the case for womanhood. OK. I guess I got a bit off topic, sorry.

If my memory serves me correctly, Bumpy made an off-the-cuff remark on a thread called"There's Something About TWI Stuck in My Mind." (or something like that) and then the topic moved here in order to keep the other thread on track. Anybody else recall if that's where it started? edited to correct somewordsthatrantogether.

Hi, Guitar Lady! Happy Birthday! --------------------------------- ------------------------------------

Are these two different tunes? The last part sounds like something out of "Space Jams" by Quad City DJ's

When I first got "in the Word", in the early '70's it was common to say "Would someone bring forth------", implying a voluntary response. My first time was before I took PFAL and I had only been speaking in tongues for a matter of days. (Some of these time frames are hard to pin down because they were so long ago.) RE: other manifestations.--------word of knowledge and word of wisdom were the two that I would have to say I definetly believe I saw. I have posted on this before but I can't tell you how to find it. I put two examples on this very thread(#4 & #34). Number 34 sounds like I am making a joke but I assure you I am not. The impartation manifestations?------Not so sure I ever really saw those. Healings used to scare the crap out of me because here was this person counting on me for their healing or miracle, and I was getting zip, zero, zilch as to what to do or say Anyway, I don't think "SIT much" or being a "fireball" in a believers' meeting has squat to do with whether you get word of wisdom or word of knowledge. I have to say "nada" on discerning of spirits. Somewhat off topic: You mentioned on another thread that TWI was thinking about going back to VPW teachings. I think it would be time well spent if you examined two specific threads/ articles. Those two are ACTUAL ERRORS IN PFAL and DOCTRINAL ERRORS IN PFAL. (sorry, I'm not yelling; I don't know how to do that italics thing yet.)Maybe someone else can tell you how to find them.

Don't despair, my young friend. We still haven't heard from the ones who DID succeed, despite this silly idea. (And I know for a fact that there are some.)

Sorry!

Anyone remember when this concept was taught and subsequently vigorously promoted? TWI certainly is not the only group to push this agenda. Additionally, there may be many who initially followed this advise and built lasting marriages. There are probably some even here at GSC. The point is, does any organization have a right to dictate who their members may date or marry? Many Eastern cultures still follow this mindset but it is done within the context of their societies. My first marriage was based on this and it was a fiasco. Anyone else have any thoughts on "inbeeding"?(Keeping "The Household" a closed corporation.) (Either as a participant or observer or maybe someone who would just like to comment.)

Something in RGs' post sparked an idea for a new thread. Anyone remember how VPW taught that "any two believers can make a marriage work"? This set the stage for a rash of in-house marriages or "inbeeding" in you prefer that term. OK------ Off to discuss it on another thread.

Based on the cadence and the"YO,******" I would have to guess it's rap. That's as close as I can get. Hmmm------Now what rhymes with "orange"?