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Hey Taxidev! Any News yet from those great “titled” (or is it “self-entitled”?) mogs and mogettes over there at Removal and Relocation? Or, is it still a hot, sweaty, night of frogs and crickets out there in OH? Inquiring minds would like to know. Thanks! Are you still “allowed” to talk about GSC without getting “marked and avoided”?

“DWBH I know. Penworks I know” But WHO ARE YOU? Not “WHAT are you saying?”, but rather, who in the hell are you. Sounds like something T-Bone “prophesied”! Well......it’s a start.....sorta! LOL! Thanks for the info Taxidev. Hoping you’ll have more updates.

Hope you’re having a peaceful Sunday evening, Taxidev. Any response from the “titled couples” yet?

Sure! Go right ahead. They’ll NEVER discuss anything with me until they genuinely REPENT as their “Word” repeatedly instructs them to, in both “Testaments”, and however many “administrations, dispensations, or stewardships” they want to add or subtract. Why? Because until they do so, their seared consciences will continue to rule that nest of vipers. They know I know what they are guilty of. As long as they deny the very behaviors and actions that cause their guilt, and do not summon up the humility required to not pridefully resist the Lord Jesus Christ, I know they will NEVER have the character or courage to do what Jesus would do! Jesus is not known to them. He is ABSENT in their false doctrine, and in their attempt at living as He taught us we can and should. Their God is a collection of ancient books, scrolls, papyri, manuscripts, texts, interpretations, and fantasies which, when jumbled together by an intellectually vapid and incoherent drunk, form the entire basis of their anti(against)-Christ doctrine, practice, and fellowship. Their VERSION of a non-existent “Word” with a capital “W”. LOL! That “Word” is their source of righteousness. That “Word” usurps the word made flesh by God Almighty, for the salvation of ALL human beings. That “Word” is their false idol, and they worship it more than they worship Jesus Christ. He is just a name for them, by which they can “claim” their own lusts and greeds in false prayer, or the name by which they seem completely unable to cast out devils, or bring about miracles and gifts of healing. How much of what Jesus taught is part of their daily lives? None of it was TO them so why bother?? Their “bema” won’t be some golden Olympic throne of “rewards”. Their brief time will be spent hearing “I never knew you”, over and over again. What works of Christ and greater have they done that you’ve witnessed since 1995? How much of their precious money has gone to help the homeless, feed the hungry, help their local communities without the ulterior motive of sucking them into some deranged bible teaching? How many have their glorious “gift ministries” healed, fed, clothed, and loved with the love of Christ? How many scholarships do they give their “living on a needs basis” young people to go to college? How many food drives, or clothing drives, or Thanksgiving Dinners, or Christmas gifts, have they collected and blessed their communities with? How much of THEIR “abundant lives” have they freely given to anyone besides each other?? Feel free to send them this missive also! It’ll give them something to feed on like rats in a subway of corpses of other rats. They can make themselves feel all superior to those of us who know and have witnessed their evil deeds and words, and have rejected their version of their “Word”. They’ll tell you how we’re all “bitter” or “angry” or “evil speaking” enemies of their “Word and Way”. Since they don’t have the courage or the character to come here and dialogue directly, maybe you can ask them if you can post their replies here at the GSC? That way you don’t have to be their mouthpiece either. Can’t wait to hear their response! Good luck, Taxidev!

LOL T-Bone!

Invite all those “titled” folk over here to the GSC for a chat?? I’m sure there are some here who would love to hear DIRECTLY from them. Let us know their response, if you would be so kind, Taxidev. Thanks.

Well, it’s been 2 years thus far. 40 years before that. How long do they need? Matt 18 teaches you what, exactly? How about I&II Timothy? I find quite a bit of space between what you’re preaching and what Jesus taught, and what Paul expressed to Timothy. Would you kindly take a look at these scriptures and then share your interpretation of them with us? Thank you.

What “Word” did they use? There were no Gospels or Epistles yet. Which part of Genesis through Malachi did they use at the Council in Acts 15?? Smells like “private interpretation” to me. Or, perhaps more accurately, “private speculation”.

“Always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormented never the tormenter.” Ellie Wiesel, Nobel Laureate and Holocaust survivor.

OUTSTANDING TWINKY! God bless you and all your fellow SPs! THAT’S what Jesus WOULD do!

Hi again Taxidev! “But, from what I've heard from many of those folks you have named, they understand the evil works they were part of, and they have said multiple times how sorry they are, and have asked people to forgive them, and whoever still has issues they have encouraged to contact them directly. They seemed pretty repentant to me.” I contacted Boob and Doody MoneyHands the day of their Emancipation Proclamation last May. I wrote them a fairly lengthy letter. MoneyHands officiated at my wedding in July, 1973, just before we all entered the corpse. I’ve known them since 1971. I asked in that letter, if Boob and Doody were going to look up the families of the people they drove to suicide with their fake “counseling”, and ask their forgiveness. I asked if they were going to look up all the scores of Corpse and WOW girls they told to get abortions so they could remain in the Corpse or on the WOW “field”. I asked them if they wanted to apologize to my family and me for the lies, libel, and slander they spread worldwide about us when we left in 1986. I asked if they were going to go to Toledo and confront da forehead for the 48 years of their lives devoted to anti-Christ doctrine and practice which he and dictor paul ordered them to carry out to the destruction, ruination, and even death of hundreds of innocent Christians. I asked a couple more questions. I got a response about 5 days later. It read, in its totality, “Hi Ralph.” That’s it. Nothing else in response. You bet they understand “...the evil works they were a part of”! THEY COMMITTED THEM repeatedly for almost 50 years! I’ve contacted them directly MANY TIMES through the years since 12/86 when I left. They NEVER once asked me to “contact them directly” so they could apologize and ask my forgiveness! Never once! Even as recently as May, 2017, the last time I contacted them “directly”, you saw their snide, 2-Word reply. Yet YOU say they “seemed pretty repentant to me.” Really! Please read Matt 18, and I&II Timothy again and see if you’d like to re-phrase that. LOL! I’m not trying to be “snarky” here Taxidev. I’m simply saying that, imho, your opinion of them is NOT based on fact. Quite the contrary, it is the result of self-serving, CYA, propaganda which they’ve been sloshing around liberally since dictor paul died in 1985, to make themselves TWIt “legends”, and to mask their cruelty and guilt. Same with the Forts and the Horney’s. I was the Corpse Director when The Horney’s were at HQ for their final in-Rez year. I KNOW their crimes against the Church. I was Fort’s Region and Trunk Coordinator. He was a condescending, insulting , unproductive, blabbermouth, prick back then, and most likely remains one today. Point being, I KNOW these creeps far better and far more deeply than you do. That’s not bragging, it’s just fact. They have fooled you just like Vic’n’TWIt did in ‘95. The only thing they’re sorry about is not having their Golden TWIt parachute to retire with. Guess they’ll be using family “savings” or begging their relatives and followers to “give as God directs their hearts”, TO THEM! Same old same old. So, before you go singing the praises of a bunch of cruel, religious despots and liars, see if you can find out from them, some more of the REAL facts behind their sell-out to Satan and filthy lucre. And, NO! I carry no residual anger, nor do I live in the “gall of bitterness”. I am a seeker of Justice, like Jesus taught us to be. Try it. You’ll like it!.............peace.

Hi Taxidev! R&R has NOT and NEVER WILL “shed all that crap”. I personally know almost every one of those hypocrites you mention. They are not one whit better than wierwille, rivenbark, or da forehead. Many are just as “dirty” in their personal lives as dictor paul, and “rightly dividing” da woid is as far from what they’ve done for the last 40 years as The First Church of Satan...LOL! Especially Boob and Doodie MoneyHands, who have wrecked almost as many lives as the “presidents” of that Ohio cowpie minus-tray. Same with Fort & The Horneys. That is why I asked you why you thought they were such “great men of gawd” several weeks ago. That just does not compute with those of us who have known these Pharisees since 1970, before most of them were even in da vey. They faithfully carried out all the cult BS their “presidents” ordered. They did so with evil glee. Some of us KNOW FIRSTHAND how many hundreds of lives and scores of marriages they ruined in the almost 50 years while in the belly of the cult. Same thing with Fort who got to where he is ONLY because he married Cindy Allen, Coward Allen’s daughter. That’s it. He was a cruel dude, just like MoneyHands and Horney. They were all lapdogs for all 3 presidents of TWIt. That is the truth and the FACTS. i am glad that your time here at GSC has provided you with genuine facts so that you can make informed decisions regarding what you choose to believe. I look forward to continued input from you as to the “biblical research, teaching and fellowship” climate and reality in TWIt these days. They don’t come here often, except for Fatboy Linder, their official spy. Thanks for sharing, and...........peace.

IIRC, the premiere of Spirits In The Athletes, was Pentecost, 1985. That was roughly 2 or 3 weeks after dictor croaked in May of that year, during the Annual Corpse Placements Meetings at HQ, which, THANKFULLY, the forehead barely attended cuz he was busy dancing and screwing the dancers. Most fun placements evah! Dictor was dead, and King Okie was owning every woman in his kingdom! I was “awarded” the prize for “Most lewd and lascivious comments” ever spoken at a placements meeting! LOL! I don’t think that’s necessarily anything to brag about, but it sure was funny. Pat Lynn put on a little birthday -party-like “ceremony” complete with candles-on-cupcakes, and those little cone-shaped party hats. LOL! IIRC, SITA, premiered on the Saturday of Pentecost weekend, 1985. There was this yuuuge after-party in the OSC. Da forehead wore a red velvet, black-collared smoking jacket with a belt ala Hugh Hefner, and allowed a receiving line of adoring fans to congratulate him. I got all the the region boys to the front of the line so we could be the first ones out. We spent the rest of the night at the WOODEN SHOE INN in Minster, chowin’ down on the best fried chicken and ice cold beer I have ever had! it was a total complete and total farce! But, EVERYONE, most especially Don and Howard was very happy to waste all that money just to keep the dope out of the day-to-day running, planning, thinking, and outreach of the minustray, which required higher functioning morons. LOL!............Peace all.

Crickets.........

One man’s ceiling is another man’s floor. When and where did you meet and spend time with her and Sylvia? Your definition of “real love” is sorely lacking imo. How long did you know her? Did you know her in NY? Also, please define “speculative debasement”. TY. Was she sharing “real love” in all those “places where it was sorely needed”? Where were all those places? Just wondering.

You’re more than welcome GVC.

I took PFAL in January, 1971, in Long Island. Steve Perez was the class coordinator. We went to Rye every Sunday for SNS with Rev. Steve Heefner. We met all the groovy Christians from not only Rye, but Manhattan, Da Bronx, and Westchester. I hung with PDSTRO and we were playing and witnessing every where all the time! LOL! We met everybody and they went everywhere to play for fellowships. We met Elena Whiteside at those SNSs in Rye. She was living in Manhattan, downtown (Chelsea now). Nice place. PDSTRO went to OH in late December, 1971, to begin work on their first Album for way prod. Elena also went at that time and went to write that book. I went out to OH to record on that album, and hung out at NK for awhile. Spent time with Whiteside There and made plans to hookup again after ROA 72 to get the “inside scoop” on her time at HQ and her book. She was tight with Gretchen Morgan, wife of Bud, bigshot ABC Sports Producer, and the man who would film and direct, ROA ‘72, and changed. Dictor was working overtime trying to get Bud into the class so he could use him for those films. Bud took the class on his own, but never attended any fellowships or went further into wayville doctrines/classes. PDSTRO moved to OH in 1972. I still went to Manhattan several times to hang with Elena and grill her about her experiences with dictor. She was quite enthralled by dictor (as was I), and she had stars in her eyes recounting her experience. She was TOTALLY in love and she was brainwashed, just like the rest of us would be after spending any prolonged time in NK. As I posted in another thread, it turns out that the FACTS indeed, are that dictor got shit-faced on their drive to Van Wert, and ALL his “interview” material WAS nothing more than a drunken redneck hustle to try to get into this 30 year old Hippie’s underpants! She never told me he did. However, it was more than obvious, and that disturbed me. But, I willfully chose to ignore that ‘cuz it was “the mind of the flesh”! And, she was learning the ole “lockbox” doctrine, so truthful facts were out the window to protect the moggy. TWLIL was a piece of make-believe. The recorded, drunken fantasies and revisionist history of the Nazi Jeeezus in Ohio. It was so made up that even Dotsie and the kids had no idea of some of the things he said in that “book”. That immediately gave it away to me. i am not the least bit surprised that TWLIL is out-of-print. It’s just Nazi doc spewing forth one lie after another in order to get a hippie NYer to “open up” to him. Be well assured that TWIt’s lawyers, after the Allen and Kaufman lawsuits, made sure that dictor's past criminal activity had to be buried forever! His deeds needed to be expunged from the Rosie record in order to keep the $$! That’s also why they shit-canned da forehead. He was a legal liability. They could not afford to keep him and their minustray both. So, they dumped the Okie King and the Rosadonna era began and rules to this day. Don’t worry if you “ missed” this piece of TWIt propaganda. You missed nothing but lies, delusions of grandeur, and an Ohio redneck pervert trying to sex it up with a pretty 32 year old hippie from Manhattan. The usual perverted PIG did his thing and it was recorded in writing. She spent several months at HQ. She knew a lot which she never wrote. She went on to become a devoted Geerite. I fon’t know who she worships these days. Probably still the dictor............peace.

Hey Mike: Don’t flatter yourself with your fantasy that I am your “opponent” in some grand “debate”. I am NOT your opponent. I feel deep sorrow and pity for you, not opposition. I have already told you, again, way back on page 11, that trying to engage you in a serious discussion about anything TWIt’n’Dic is like administering medicine to the dead. ALL your “research”, “manifestos”, “statements”, “theses”, “TVTs”, “discussions” of 40-50 years ago, “learning” from Popular Science and Popular Mechanics, lie detector “experts”, quotes from “old grads”, your “theories” (e.g. “the pure evil theory” etc.), transcripts from 53 year old SNS tapes, quotes from piffle, elena’s post-sex book about dictor paul and his drunken bullshit hustle to get into her hippie underpants, revisionist wierwille-worshipping tripe, revisionist B.G., Stiles, Kenyon, Bullinger stohrees, quotes from various syllabi and lullabies, and overt lying, dealing one unicorn fantasy after another from your never ending shue of bullshit, is totally self-absorbed and IRRATIONAL. Irrational, as in illogical, unreasonable, insane. I for one, really wish the good-hearted GSCers here trying to dialogue reasonably with you would simply stop doing so. Go down to Doctrinal and pontificate your “ancient”, “overlooked” garbage there. No one should bother answering you any where else, as it leads to an incredible waste of byte-space which YOU don’t pay for! The members and Paw pay for it. Stop wasting our money and bytespace outside of doctrinal. I implore my fellow GSCers to refrain from posting to Mike or responding to him anywhere but in the Doctrinal Forums. Then, folks who really want to keep dealing with Mike’s illnesses publicly know exactly where to find him, newbies don’t have to read his garbage in Open, Way Int’l, or Offshoots Forums, and we need only see it if we choose to. Saves everyone a helluva lot of time and agita! So Mike......this will be THE last post from me to or about YOU anywhere at the GSC outside of Doctrinal Forums. I’m old enough to spot irrational bullshit, psychiatric pathologies, and insane behavior, to know I’ve had my fill of them for this lifetime. This is no ad hominem attack Mikey. This is simply a fact-filled, reasonable assessment of your mental state as evidenced by your rambling, nearly incoherent “essays”, along with your erratic and annoying posting behavior. You’re a gentle soul. Thanks for keeping yourself in Doctrinal. Happy Resurrection Day. See ya in Doctrinal only. No more “BeHappy troops” up here. Bye now.

Again: This sums up Mike’s thousands of posts here in the last 16 years. Quoting Bette Davis from my last post on page 11(sic!) of this thread: Mike.....”YOU are so full of shit!”! Mike has accumulated as much credibility the last 15 years here as the Defendants in Stormy Daniels’ case against you-know-who. Here’s a brief musical interlude so Mike doesn’t get too bored! LOL! Okay. Back to our regularly scheduled post! This BS will go on as long as Mike comes here for free babysitting, and to alleviate what may be a crushing loneliness, or dire need for validation. Or, it may just be a crazy game he’s playing for his own condescending satisfaction at toying with those “lesser”, intellectually and spiritually than he? Or, he may just be really bored?? Either way......Mike....even after all these years and thousands upon thousands of your posts.......YOU are still so full of shit!...........More than ever! LOL!...............peace. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214804932574770&set=a.10214089284524016.1073741830.1169468755&type=3

Hi Greasespotters! The ideological crux behind the entire “Way Tree” revelation hoax is the following grandiose lie: “Each Twig is self-supporting, self-propagating, and self-governing”. The book “The Twelve Traditions” was published by Alcoholics Anonymous in 1946. It sets forth the administrative structure and “procedural protocol” regarding how each AA Chapter is to be governed. Here it is: The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics AnonymousEdit Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity. For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority — a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern. The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking. Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole. Each group has but one primary purpose — to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers. An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose. Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions. Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers. A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve. Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films. Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities. Long FormEdit “Our A.A. experience has taught us that: Each member of Alcoholics Anonymous is but a small part of a great whole. A.A. must continue to live or most of us will surely die. Hence our common welfare comes first. But individual welfare follows close afterward. For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority — a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought A.A. membership ever depend upon money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an A.A. group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation. With respect to its own affairs, each A.A. group should be responsible to no other authority than its own conscience. But when its plans concern the welfare of neighboring groups also, those groups ought to be consulted. And no group, regional committee, or individual should ever take any action that might greatly affect A.A. as a whole without conferring with the trustees of the General Service Board. On such issues our common welfare is paramount. Each Alcoholics Anonymous group ought to be a spiritual entity having but one primary purpose — that of carrying its message to the alcoholic who still suffers. Problems of money, property, and authority may easily divert us from our primary spiritual aim. We think, therefore, that any considerable property of genuine use to A.A. should be separately incorporated and managed, thus dividing the material from the spiritual. An A.A. group, as such, should never go into business. Secondary aids to A.A., such as clubs or hospitals which require much property or administration, ought to be incorporated and so set apart that, if necessary, they can be freely discarded by the groups. Hence such facilities ought not to use the A.A. name. Their management should be the sole responsibility of those people who financially support them. For clubs, A.A. managers are usually preferred. But hospitals, as well as other places of recuperation, ought to be well outside A.A. — and medically supervised. While an A.A. group may cooperate with anyone, such cooperation ought never go so far as affiliation or endorsement, actual or implied. An A.A. group can bind itself to no one. The A.A. groups themselves ought to be fully supported by the voluntary contributions of their own members. We think that each group should soon achieve this ideal; that any public solicitation of funds using the name of Alcoholics Anonymous is highly dangerous, whether by groups, clubs, hospitals, or other outside agencies; that acceptance of large gifts from any source, or of contributions carrying any obligation whatever, is unwise. Then too, we view with much concern those A.A. treasuries which continue, beyond prudent reserves, to accumulate funds for no stated A.A. purpose. Experience has often warned us that nothing can so surely destroy our spiritual heritage as futile disputes over property, money, and authority. Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional. We define professionalism as the occupation of counseling alcoholics for fees or hire. But we may employ alcoholics where they are going to perform those services for which we may otherwise have to engage nonalcoholics. Such special services may be well recompensed. But our usual A.A. "12 Step" work is never to be paid for. Each A.A. group needs the least possible organization. Rotating leadership is the best. The small group may elect its secretary, the large group its rotating committee, and the groups of a large metropolitan area their central or intergroup committee, which often employs a full-time secretary. The trustees of the General Service Board are, in effect, our A.A. General Service Committee. They are the custodians of our A.A. Tradition and the receivers of voluntary A.A. contributions by which we maintain our A.A. General Service Office at New York. They are authorized by the groups to handle our over-all public relations and they guarantee the integrity of our principal newspaper, the A.A. Grapevine. All such representatives are to be guided in the spirit of service, for true leaders in A.A. are but trusted and experienced servants of the whole. They derive no real authority from their titles; they do not govern. Universal respect is the key to their usefulness. No A.A. group or member should ever, in such a way as to implicate A.A., express any opinion on outside controversial issues — particularly those of politics, alcohol reform, or sectarian religion. The Alcoholics Anonymous groups oppose no one. Concerning such matters they can express no views whatever. Our relations with the general public should be characterized by personal anonymity. We think A.A. ought to avoid sensational advertising. Our names and pictures as A.A. members ought not be broadcast, filmed, or publicly printed. Our public relations should be guided by the principle of attraction rather than promotion. There is never need to praise ourselves. We feel it better to let our friends recommend us. And finally, we of Alcoholics Anonymous believe that the principle of anonymity has an immense spiritual significance. It reminds us that we are to place principles before personalities; that we are actually to practice a genuine humility. This to the end that our great blessings may never spoil us; that we shall forever live in thankful contemplation of Him who presides over us all.” When I was in-Rez with the 4th corpse in the fall of 1973, 3 Of The new “Advanced Studies” classes were videotaped during our first year. They were “The Renewed Mind”, and “Dealing With The Adversary” by Walter Cummins, and “The Way Tree” by John Townsend. During the taping of The WT, dictor had nite owls in the BRC. During one of said Nite owls, I DISTINCTLY remember him telling us that “The Way Tree revelation” was “inspired” by the “A.A. structure”. He never said how he came across those writings. You’ll notice also, that small little phrases like KISS———keep it simple stupid—, are also to be found throughout the halls of AA. Plagiarism was a way of life for DP! LOL! The Way Tree “revelation” was nothing more than a plagiarized business plan for an MLM scheme called PFAL. And, as EVERYTHING else in dictor paul’s minus-tray, it was stolen almost word-for-Word, and concept by concept from another source and that source, (AA), was never given proper credit publicly. To say that there was ANY part or piece of TWIt that was in any way “original”, is as ludicrous as saying “the Earth is flat”. And, just as accurate!.............peace.

Dear Mike: After reading your latest verbose fairytale ramblings, I have come to the conclusion that it is fruitless to discuss anything about dictor paul, TWIt, the Bible, or piffle with you ever again. To once again quote Thomas Paine, “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” I’m happy to discuss anything else with you, share a glass of wine some time maybe......but NO MAS on anything Bible, Wierwille, TWIt, or piffle. Bette sums up how I feel about discussing any of the aforementioned “spiritual topics” with you. Never again! LOL! TY.......and......peace. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214804932574770&set=a.10214089284524016.1073741830.1169468755&

I guess Bolshevik thinks this question was totally “on topic”, eh GVC? LOL!

Terrific posts Skyrider and T-bone! Thank you both for such self-reflective insight into the myriad, varied, yet quite profound, psycho-emotional factors which caused so many of the idealistic youth of the 60s to be prime “cult bait”. I was among them as were you, and all of those who spent any amount of time getting gobbled up by all the various “spiritual growth” programs offered by the cult. The doctrine they manufactured was certainly “self-supporting, self-propagating, and self-governing”, especially adept at manufacturing “spiritual needs” which only their manufactured doctrine could meet. Then, add in the guilt motivation of “Gawd has no hands but our hands blah blah blah yada yada yada in the name of Jesus Christ amen, with a little “what has this ministry cost YOU? How much have YOU given to God? Christ was willing to die! Are YOU??”, and, of course, a lot of fear of “not measuring up” to whatever shifting “spiritual priorities” were manufactured to maintain the ever-changing standards of “the prorgram(ming)”, moving the goal posts of that “spiritual maturity” which gawd required of his “douloi”, further and further away, requiring more and more $$ and “training” for never-ending programs living only on a “needs basis”. Not a cult, eh?? LOL! The “Art” of sociopathic, malignant, narcissistic behavior disorders ALWAYS includes “charming” and “engagingly manipulative” personality traits in those so afflicted. Such behavior is not only diagnostic, but also predictive of future pathological behavior as the patient progressively decompensates while the disease progresses, and goes untreated. This hindsight is 20/20 though. It is the result of my post-cult Nursing education and 25 years of practice. Remember the old adage, “ if only I knew now what I knew then, I woulda, shoulda, coulda.....”? I have learned through life experience that such thinking is self-defeating. It deals with “what IF” instead of “what IS”. That sabotages any productive self-reflection while rationalizing continued behavioral inaction as a “frustrating waste of time”. That inaction and rationalization freezes your identity at whatever stage you are willing to accept in order to relieve the frustration. Usually, that locks folks into the identity formation stage of human development. Normally, that stage occurs during the ages of 21-32. How old were YOU at the height of your TWIt involvement? In the Corpse? Way Home? WOW VET?Bet it was somewhere between age 18-32, unless you had a kid or 2. There are as many psychoemotional factors contributing to our being “cult bait” as there are individuals who unwittingly became cultists. IMO, posts such as Skyrider and T-bone have posted here, are the greatest weapons we here at the GSC have in our arsenal of FACTS and eyewitness accounts from honest, altruistic, and concerned ex-wayfers, of the other side of the TWIt stohree. TWIt and it’s offshoots hate this site because it exposes the purulent underbellies of each and all of their cults. The Truth only hurts those who stand against it! Selah...........peace.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I asked questions I want to know the answers to from Mike, regarding the revisionist history he uses freely re: DP Wierwille, Heefner, etc. Mike was there and so was I. Mike is inaccurate in his alternative facts RE: dictor’s plagiarism and I asked him to give us his VERSION of dp’s plagiarism and revisionist history of WW II and Heefner’s “leave of absence request”(sic!). You ask your own questions and I’ll ask mine. Let the moderators do the moderating. TY.

Mike.... let us hear YOUR version of dictor paul’s rabid anti-semitism, racism, and ideological sentiment for Hitler and Naziism. I’m interested to see if your revisionist “history” is as “accurate” on dictor as it was on Steve Heefner. Which was “the wrong side” in WW II, according to dictor paul, mike??