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That’s an amazing cult leader verse especially when you take it out of context. I am sure Creflo Dollar prays the same prayer that all those that he is fleecing will receive his words not as those of a snake oil salesman but instead receiving them like it was God speaking to them directly. And not questioning those words they will send in their ABS. VPWs personality had flaws but his research had more. Anyone with a reasonable logic process who watches Dr. Juedes video which is the topic of this thread probably will not accept VPWs words like they are coming directly from God. Sure just suspend any critical thinking processes you have and immediately accept in these words like they were divine direction. However Paul’s travels and teachings to Thessalonika were vastly different than Plaffy. Instead of plagiarizing Peters teachings and presenting them as his own he developed his own path and teachings to the Gentiles. He took the path Peter did not take instead of teaching to the same audience and trying to steal followers. There were no Great Principle charts or excellor sessions. There was no Way Ambassador program patterned after the Mormons where new converts and teenagers do the work to promulgate the group. There was No Corps with annual “placements” a thumb of control over all leadership.

Actually this thread is about a pastor of a mainstream Christian denomination church rejecting the collaterals because they are shallow and have shoddy handling of scripture and poor workmanship. He is on the same position of service VP was as a pastor so offers an objective external view based upon research into it. What the thread is not about is Mike, his beliefs, views on Plaffy collaterals, or how he arrived at his conclusions. I understand Mike regularly gets this confused on most of the threads he comments on trying to make them about him and his beliefs about the collaterals which defy common sense. So that is why some threads get mucked up. Mike gets confused about the topic, starts changing it to himself, and everyone responds. Give it a rest ostrich boy.

That’s a good suggestion. I think the problem is that it’s like having on manure tinted sunglasses without knowing you have them on. When Mike reads the book of Mark with the manure tinted sunglasses he doesn’t get an unbiased clear message straight off the page. He gets a distortion. He comes across all the Plaffy markings and underlining with a different color marker the verses from certain classes and interprets it in a Plaffy way. So Mark as a servant portrays that all wayfers were “born again to serve” and the way you serve in this day and time is go Way Ambassador and Corpse. The dendrites need to be trained in a different direction for people to be able to simply read and understand what is there without all the external influence.

So unlike all the other VPW idolators who snap quickly to kneeling before their idol, because you did it slower it’s not idolatry! It’s like the guy who stayed 3 weeks in Catholic mass because that’s how long it took his knees to creak allowing him to kneel on the kneeler! JJ had several people who came to him a wreck from VPs so called ministry. That was the start of his opinion. Digging into the research was just the next step in helping those people. And now you assess all those who refuse to bow the knee to the charlatan as consumed by hate. No we’re consumed by common sense. And we don’t like spending all our money on poor tasting snake oil telling everyone it’s great.

Not a guess. It actually is a ridiculous extension of bibliolatry. I just re watched JJs video. Man he has some fantastic logic- like: 1. If you take out Bullinger Stiles and Leonard’s material from RHST there would be almost nothing left. 2. Shallowness of collaterals - they all were transcribed sermons - tape 295 lol. JJ compared VPWs shallow writings with Kittels handling of scriptures. 3. They support his “find me a text to support what my interpretation of this scripture is “ method of research. Really great video. Comprehensive. Regardless of how offended watchers get as he said. I think your “where”? question is more rhetorical as each individual is responsible to seek out and prove truth for themselves. With the bibliolatry topic it is really interesting that the Greek word for “scribe” in the Bible is “grammateis” or grammatician. Jesus confronted them as opposed to joining in their endless meaningless philosophical debates. He taught with authority not like those scribes. He had simple clear direct logic:

I’m guessing “collateralolatry” would also be a problematic similar term?

Back to this topic about the benefits of GSC. I ran across this quote by Nelson Mandela: ”For to be free is not merely to cast off one’s chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others” To me GSC has provided a platform for that.

So DIT - dancing in tongues. Is this what happens when deaf people SIT? And they know ASL?

Art is emotion. But dancing is life.

Here you go Mikey! Whenever you have free time to watch as well as listen. Get rocked by the Way Orchestra. You can’t stop the lo shontas even if u wanted to.

Forgive me if my view is that cleaning windows with headphones on and AOS orchestra in the background clearly represents way more of a handicap than I have ever dealt with. You are in my prayers.

Just realized this gave the impression I had not read penworks book. I ordered it from her and started reading it one weekend. I almost got through all of it the same weekend. It really was riveting reading through it the first time. Took me maybe one week to read it. It is one of the only true historical accounts available for that time period in TWI and to me shows another side of the story of the earlier days. The factual accounts all ring true from my experiences. Anyway commentaries here aren’t always corralled neatly into the right threads per topic - sorry.

I mean “riveting” could mean a train wreck catching your attention. Cue the Way Orchestra and the little riffs going on - men in tights doing the jock shuffle to represent SIT. Then slowly a group of 20 strippers emerges all doing a pole dance routine without the pole. Then the jock puts the seed ladies foot on his shoulder and gazes into her eyes. Then she collapses into his arms. I mean it’s totally understandable why John Travolta and Scientology had to try and duplicate that on Staying Alive 2. It’s so……. so…….. Riveting lol

Is crossing Plaffy with the book of Revelation the equivalent to a new kind of designer drug? What you describe sounds like a really bad trip on a designer drug. I mean so bad you have the potential for Teletubbies appearing riding purple dinosaurs. I mean this would be what we are trying to rescue Mikey from as it sounds downright frightening.

I have not read Merton. I’ll look him up. My Buddhist friend has remarked to a group of us Christians that he felt it was evident that Jesus had reached enlightenment by his words in teachings. He also had a strong sense of what he said had to be Jesus traveling to the East during part of his life and being instructed in some things. He said the prayers reflect that. I told him that between early teen years and late twenties there is no record of Jesus actions so all of that has possibilities. I also have heard of progressive Christian churches hiring a Buddhist monk to help them with how to pray better. I don’t have a strong sense of how this will turn out. I’m just connecting and moving through it. One other thing that came to mind reading some of the responses is that Christian Fundamentalism is a big business, and a lot of the artifacts around it support that big business. Scrolls, software, archaeology, philosophical writings and commentaries. I guess if there is a demand for something individuals will dream up ways to produce a supply to meet that demand.

One of the things for me post Way journey that opened up seeing how egotistical the fundamentalist view we had was having a couple of close friends from other religions. A work colleague who is Muslim I spoke with about beliefs over the course of about 5 years. I saw him become involved with and give a lot of time and money to a charity placing orphans from another country with families in US. I saw the good done in his life and knew God had to recognize it. On the other hand most Christians I knew would never do anything like that. Faith is supposed to motivate ourselves toward the best version of ourselves possible. Yet what I saw in the Way was other types of motivation. Fear, lust, selfishness, power. Thoughts and attitudes which galvanized evil not good. For many it was not the best but their worst version of themselves emerging. Another friend I have spoken with over a decade plus about faith is a devout Chan Buddhist raised from birth. The more I embrace of his faith the more he is drawn to Christ. I wonder if that’s a Zen energy type of thing. Anyway where I am at is if someone finds a spark that draws out the best version of themselves I support them pursuing it. And Christians can more reflect Christ pretty much always for sure. To strive for betterment is a worthy goal.

Now there’s a man who truly understands the robot dance. Is it irony that the topic is “renewed mind” while the motion depicts a brainwashed state?

Hey penworks, I’m not brainwashed…. brainwashed….. brainwashed. Now when you read that sentence you also have to supply the visuals of a guy doing the robot dance. Or it doesn’t have the full impact.

Hey Logic nice post. OMG this took me back to college and the first time I took PFAL. I also was in a college writing class and tried to use logic about “keys to the Words interpretation” to explain my logic and told the professor I wrote using “figures of speech”. He gave me a D for that paper and told me my logic wasn’t as good as I thought it was. LMFAO! I did pull the grade up to an A by taking his advice and listening and following directions on writing assignments. That was very difficult. Since then unlike penworks my writing has vastly degraded over time and devolved into a more informal exchange of ideas as on this forum. Except for this one period of time I wrote and published a book and contributed as an author on two more. That was more like dental extraction. The topic is not anything Way related. As an author I have the potential to make about $1.50 an hour from calculations. And my favorite quote about being an author is from someone I don’t remember. ”I love deadlines. I love the swooshing sound they make as they go by”. Welcome to the cafe and have a coffee and scone on the house.

And this is the exact logic that RFR used to dismantle the Research department. “We aren’t seeking for the truth we already have the truth because 1942 promise”. No need for any more of that pesky research evaluating theology, scripture, philosophical endeavors digging out truth. All you need to do is listen and obey “The Teacher” and write PO Box 328 NK OH send in love notes along with your 15% ABS. VPs reading lists included the 13th Tribe and The Myth of Six Million debunking the holocaust. He could also have been president of the Aryan Brotherhood. A minister according to Timothy’s standards? Not in a million years he didn’t fulfill the characteristics of husband of one wife and not being a drunk. Couldnt find a vomit emoji.

A loaded phrase. “Love” an intimate and close expression. ”ya” a generic slang phrase. Followers blend the intimate with the generic and can turn it on and off with a switch. They do the same with others lives.

Wow. Stirs up some memories. Adolph’s! We loved that place. My FIL loved Adolph and we had to go there whenever he was in town. I remember Dee Fischbaum (sp) the mayor of New Knoxville was related to Mrs VPW somehow - in laws maybe. So there was also that connection. Townies always were hyper sensitive to “the compound” as in “you live on the compound?” Howard would always be bad mouthing most of the neighbors around HQ from recollections. A lot of the TWI local members have generational roots in the local area though so I think the general attitude was tolerance toward TWI. Adolph probably could care less - it was a revenue source for that family lol.

One of the things not often mentioned when discussing TWI local relations with people in surrounding areas is the children who were dragged along while their parents were fulfilling their “spiritual dream” of “serving at HQ”. Kids in schools are bullied incessantly. Small town communities and cult compounds tend to produce that effect. Smaller towns education is different and there are less resources for specializing- sports, trades, scholarships. Much of the reaction to this is to rebel and turn to substance abuse. Kids face pressures due to parents positions and the Pharisee hierarchy. Directors kids probably are the most lonely of any. This isn’t right. Those kids deserve their own lives and unrestricted future. Parents social climbing and org climbing lusts should not compromise this. But parents are brainwashed so they trade their kids futures for their own status and advancement in the cult hierarchy. Working PR is no more than a facade covering these problems. The issue stems from using people and trading them like cattle for the leaders own lusts building fiefdoms and hierarchies.

In geometry, parallel lines are coplanar infinite lines that do not intersect at any point. Because the Word works with a mathematical exactness and scientific precision in the law of believing then we can safely produce the following mathematical corollary regarding needs and wants: If you want it you’ll never need it. If you need it you’ll never want it.

Best wishes brother! Self care is always most important. Best to the missus also have fun.