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How do we know they haven't visited GSC?

Despite the fact that the podcasters get some details mixed up (or possibly wrong), they seem to have gotten the essence pretty well.

Kudos for the reflections both by Taxidev and Wordwolf.

After creating a live radio show in 1942 to broadcast his sermons, an out-of-work preacher from Ohio was quickly throw into the spotlight of an international spiritual movement. Through his hypnotic Power for Abundant Living (PFAL) course, Wierwille bought the Way International to a large farm in Ohio during a time of revolution in the 1960s. “The Teacher” appeared to be devoted to God, but actually wanted sex, money, and control. (Ep 62) A disgruntled pastor of the Evangelical and Reformed Church creates his own religious group in 1942 after claiming he received Biblical secrets dating back from the First Century AD. By 1980, The Way International was one of the largest and wealthiest cults on Earth. Despite it’s tremendous growth, Victor Paul Wierwille’s paranoia and institutionalized methods of control ultimately led to the cult’s demise. Find these a Parcast.com

And that their "leaders" don't know how to make a living otherwise.

Missed you! Wazzup with you?

Over the last couple of years (it seems like it's been at least that long since he posted anything here), I've wondered the same thing. I always hope he's doing well. A month or two ago, I saw his name at the bottom of the cover page here at the Greasespot Cafe. I guess it was by chance that I happened to glance at it when he was signed in and at least here for a moment. I know his real name so I have tried to look him up on Facebook or Google... but his name is far too common to narrow it down that way.

Paula was never married to Gerald. You're thinking of the wrong Wren(n).

The one spelling her last name Wren looks like it could be her. I don't remember what her husband looked like. But a couple of pics of both are public so you can check.

Well... you did INVITE response. Random thoughts? You mean like... Ephesians 4:14? Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves,and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. Oh, nevermind.

I suspect that many/most GSCers feel likewise. Of course, I wish him no harm but am unconcerned about whether he's happy or not.

Does anyone care?

Kinda like another religion motivates its people with the promise of 70 virgins... or something like that.

About 150 moons later...

For the sake of discussion, let me ask, "still time for what?" What warning has been sounded? Is the madness continuing in TWI? Who are you to be throwing stones? Have you pondered why and at whom you are very angry and sad? Are the complexities of life ever resolved by invoking platitudes? Peace dude!

And here I thought the age for legally consuming alcoholic beverages was determined by each state. But in 1984 (under Reagan), federal legislation was enacted that apparently allowed the federal government to withhold funding that would otherwise go to states if the particular state allowed drinking by persons under 21. State legislatures moan and complain when the federal government does things like that, but they usually comply, as it has been with this issue. I was 18 when I took technical training at Keesler AFB, MS in 1973-74. I clearly remember drinking Miller Beer (not Miller Lite) during that time. Of course, off base strip clubs in Biloxi were strictly and officially off limits to impressionable youngsters like me at that time.

As well as deficiency in emotional maturity.

Actually no, one of our fellow GSC members had one of Stowe's paintings that he wanted to figure out what the possible sale value might be so he could sell the one he had. That's the only reference on this site to any interest in Mr. Stowe.

Which suggests that WW was reasonable to surmise that susieV's post was simply an advertisement.

I'm friends with OE on FB. I'll message him to see if he has any insight on a possible connection.

In 2009, GSC member Onion Eater started this thread in the Open forum. When I searched (DuckDuckGo) for EB Stowe, one of the results on the first page was a link to that thread in Open. That's probably where susieV learned about this website.

I'm guessing that Mr Stowe didn't have any such connection.

It would be selfish of me, Mike, to say we've missed you. If you don't have time to be involved here at GSC, so be it. However, two things. One is that Vic's words on his plagiarism HAVE been cited at GSC. Repeatedly. Two, that your source regarding your interpretation of BGL's relationship with Vic, and what BGL may have said to a sixth corpse clergy member is dubious at best. I highly doubt that you'll "verify" anything that was told to you by such a source. One of the characteristics of the cult of VPW was the prevalence of dubious narcissistic myths. Someone would start a conversation (rumor) and it would get passed along with ZERO critical analysis as if it was god's honest truth. Very quickly, it would become the unquestioned God-breathed Word. That's the social model your claim seems to fit. If it's not YOUR first hand observation, it's likely BS.

Parental alienation is very real. I figure you've already discovered that and have read some on the issue. I went through it and it devastated me for all of my daughter's teen years. I am most thankful that when she turned 20 (and happened to be pregnant by the young man she eventually married), my daughter initiated reconciliation with me. I now have two wonderful grandchildren who I adore. Even though I know the pain such alienation causes, I'd be encouraged that your grandson still has affection for your son. This article spells out some of the issues. The last paragraph has crucial guidance. During the years I suffered great emotional pain, I was convinced my ex-wife did have borderline personality disorder. If she did, she seems to have grown out of it.

That would seem to be the same BG Leonard.