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Bravo Cindy--- I am applying to the Speech and Hearing Sciences Master program this spring. With family in tow

in the snow!!

JOHNNY ---- You must see Cirque de Soleil Cirque de Soleil

AAWWWWHHHhhhhhhhhh How sweet>..."Birds chirping" sound

Pink Lady Would you mind stating which splinter is doing this?

Abi - I do have a list of normal development for semantic/pragmatic abilities. I have to dig it up and the list is pretty long. It would be a good measuring stick to some degree. The above mentioned issues are non-issues when they only appear sa 1 or 2 instances or in isolation. It's when a child shows the majority of these things that it becomes time for a new course of teaching. And as you I'm sure have intelligently supposed, the reverse/opposite of that "checklist" are the beginnings of a "normal" elementary school aged child in their development.

I know about Asberger's...and Abi got an education about that...it would need more evaluation. I also think about PDD-NOS (pervasive development disorder - not otherwise specified) all of the "disorders" in these groups are on a huge continuum. PDD is the stew pot they throw it in if they cannot find a profile to fit another title. Autism focus in language suggests pragmatic/sematic deficits may explain behavioral problems...what we think of as difficulty socializing. (because these children have a different processing system) Dr. Carol Westby (google her--they do Westby Workshops in Austrailia) one of my past professors has a checklist for school age children: Word decoding markedly better than reading comprehension Obsessive behaviors - everything from pacing, arraging, talking on specific topics Insensitivity to peoples' facial expressions Difficulty with generalization Difficulty reasoning about psychological relationships Deficits in generating pretend acts Joint attention reference deficits Difficult turn taking Symbolism is difficult to relate to Difficulty with sarcasm or deception Difficulty understanding consequence in relation to plans or feeling of others These are just a quicky checklist. A full evaluation reveals much more and this list obviously like any magazine survey is just a cursory look at issues of relevance.

do a google on Gardener's Theory of Multiple Intelligences. It will give you a new perspective as to strengths and weaknesses in all of us, including our children. The other question I have is are you satisfied he is not lacking in language and are you trying to zero in on other specific developmental issues? Am I getting this correctly? Also, is it affecting his academics? social life? family life? or only 1 of 3 or 2 of 3.... email me if you wan to save specifics for private. LiannePierce@gmail.com

Just found this thread Abi and Sushi. Before I cut and paste a bunch a "junk" and give you links, I will say this. Honoring the steps of development is very important. In other words, while his peers may be at a certain level, he may not and will need to have the kind of help that will be sequential to the natural steps of development. That said, let me think about this. As far as being different socially or being excessively pragmatic (which wouldn't hurt lot of us) you will have to decide what the world is going to just have to put up with and what yo want to approach with Jacob. For example. Clothes...who really gives a twit in the big picture..some kids will even admire him for his individuality. Eating spaghetti with fingers won't go over as well. Its perfectly normal for these kids to want a GOOD reason to change what has been working for them. In the case of my own daughter, I have to explain the idea that it bothers other people and in society some things bother people more than others. (short version....it took longer than that, but you get the idea) I will put up some developmental milestone charts I use.. have to find them in my messy hard drive...if I cant I know where good links are. BUT REMEMBER: God never called any of us ADD, ADHD, Dyslexic etc. We just have a lot of square shaped people being forced to fit in circle holes.

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Belle, one of the better curriculum's I was trained in; when asking my daughter's Sped teacher if she heard of it..because said teacher absolutely sucked at getting the info into the whole classes' heads, her comment was, "I looked at that, but it's so boring." That same language system that she labeled boring had Navajo kids in Tuba City, AZ (English definitely a second language) writing correct paragraphs (8-10 lines) in FIRST GRADE. But--that "boring" comment gave away a lot of the attitude. Some teachers want it to be fun and zippy or something....when rote boring still works even with LD kids.

I don't know Belle, being a Christain, I would prefer the bible, but I feel that most of the men and women that sware on the bible don't really know or take the book that seriously when it comes to their politics anyhow....is that pessimistic...yeah..one of the few things I really believe has lost integrity.

100 - but it is true that pronouns are the most difficult part of language development for children and many adults never quite get them. It is a referential concept, and then on top of it we have too many homonyms in english for any sane person. I always thought that it was such a waste to have so many words sound the same and be different meanings and parts of speech.

Helloooo Fullll Circle!

McBlessings----LOLOLO

One of the things that has occurred to me since leaving the way is that if you don't know the name or word for something, it is very hard to call it real. In leaving the way, people have to start using a vocabulary they never either ha or cared to entertain becasue some a** told them those were "bad/evil/negative" things. I I don't have the word and concept for manipulate prior to entering a cult...it will be extremely difficult for me to identify it.

I am a one and only.

its sortof like --did time exist before clocks?

very good find Dot!

stayin' home gettin' to ya? HAHA

ck kinda reminded me of a craigger's rant.

That sounds great! Hopey I do hope you do something. After all even if Jesus wasn't born in December, well....its a great time to find somewhere to give. Shelters with families (including 4 year olds and babies and everything) In some ways I had a couple WOW years like hat, not really being close to the people and then holidays are a more vulnerable time. It is time to make some new friends, do you have a hospital near by...a children's hospital. I spent Christmas break in 5th grade in the hospital, and this was the days parents weren't allowed to stay overnight...it was horrible. I WOULD HAVE LOVED someone reading me a book< or just playing a game like Parchesi or Life or something with me...even cards. I feel for your misery, but also know how wonderful you are and I am hoping you share your wonderfulness. Lianne

yes Krys---the difference between a mass noun and a count noun and its modifier. ...we don't teach it...cuz its not in the text books, and most young teachers never learned it...because somewhere along the line, well, only publishers could figure out what we needed to learn.

I think readers of ck or participants on the same thread as ck can use the ignore button HCW - I know you to be a genuine person...ignre ck...i know - I don't have to tell you...

COOL!