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Good point, Rascal. If Christ is not their head, then logically speaking, how accurate is their research, really? If the premise is skewed, would not the conclusions follow suit? Oeno says it best ( and I believe he means this as a paraphrase of the verse in Ephesians about knowledge and love)-- Love wins.

Thanks, Sushi! Hehe. Someone on this board brought mentioned it, too, and I couldn't remember who.

Great point Skyrider. It brings to mind a section of scripture, "I will exhalt my throne above the stars of God. I will be like the most High." (Isaiah 14:12-15) At least he isn't making a pretense of being led by God in peddling his "package.' I'll give him credit for that. Also, when John said in his letter that KA has "spoken prophetically into my life" for many years, from my understanding of how CES operates this is you have to give people permission to speak into your life. Then you exhibit humility by taking heed to their words. Again, the "us" vs. "them" mentality. You feel compelled to prove you're indeed extwi by setting up a priesthood to run your group. There is nothing in the Bible that states only the people in your clique can steer you off a wrong track or onto a right one. DogLover made this point very well. The members of the BODY all can quote scripture, speak prophetically (with or without permission), dream dreams, see visions, and tell a brother or sister in the Lord what they think about the way their church is being run. Shoot, I can turn on the TV set and "get a word" from a TV preacher whom I've never met and apply that to my life--have done it many times. And what about being spirituallly mature enough to make decisions about your own life and marriage? That's why we all took PFAL, wasn't it? So we could understand the Bible for ourselves? You don't need someone to "speak into your life" to know one of your main jobs as a husband is to love and protect your wife, do you? Well, apparently no one in John's little clique was speaking those words. My point here is John, you have surrounded yourself for years with only certain people. What about the wealth of wisdom out there resident in the rest of the Body of Christ? Just about anyone with any common sense could see being led by this little coven was wrong. Who said if we don't learn from the mistakes in history we are bound to repeat them? It's clear the CES brood is still, as many pointed out, just doing the Way thing and will continue to do so as long as people, as someone said, with itching ears, feel they need this priesthood to interpret the Bible for them with these tapes and books they peddle (so they can understand the Bible the right way, don'tchaknow).

Now, there's a phrase.....

Satoori001, I've been hoping you'd show up--you always have such an interesting perspective on things not to mention you always hit the proverbial nail on the head. I have met E--after she was beaten up and hung out to dry by those creeps. That was my impression at the time, anyway. Her letter filled in the blanks. Good to see you :-) If I just had 1/100th of your mastery of the English language.... wb

Why would it have been hard to have voted for him when he ran for President opposite Jimmy Carter?

Like he helped his wife?

Agreed.

I always liked him and did a bit of google research on him this morning. Apparently his mother divorced his real dad when he was an infant, Mr. King, because he was a drunk and beat her. I really admired that she took steps to separate herself from a dangerous and unhealthy environment with a small baby to take care of. She later met Mr. Ford and they had a very happy and healthy home environment. It was interesting that most people described him on TV as a good man with integrity. The American people voted in Jimmy Carter instead. I think he was the first president I ever voted for. But, then, we were told in twi who to vote for so many of you may have voted for him also. wb

Just as we were walking out our guests last night at 5 'till midnight, we heard such a clatter.... SNOW

ooooooooooooo. they're so cute! how much, Psalmie?

motherof2, Hi! This is a great topic. My only comment is this: Even the Amish go to doctors when they get hurt! Goodness. Who do they (twiers) think inspired all of the medical "miracles" that we have today? The devil?

thank YOU OE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(((((POTATO))))) I'd love to see one of your paintings!

Beautiful, Bliss, Beautiful!!!!!!!!

...do you marinate it in beer? I've had it that way and it was reelly tender and tasty. yummmmmm! ps--i'm impressed that you don't tell, bowtwi.

Yes, people help people here. GSC and Al Anon are two of the best free therapy places in the world, imho. Thanks Paw. You're an exceptional individual.

I'm so glad you're both ok! Yes, that has happened to me. That's when I learned the purpose of the loud sound when you veer over on the outer edge of the interstate pavement. It wakes you up. Any angels around do ya think watching over you that night? In any event, hope you two celebrated getting home safely that night :-)

Ex10, happy belated birthday. I hope it was fabulous!

Gosh, that's so great! Is there anyway you could make that into a Christmas card or birthday card to your dad and listing the reasons you admire him so much? I'll bet, as someone else said, it would be a teriffic boost for your dad to hear how much you love and respect him. I sent my aunt a birthday card once saying I never knew when her birthday was but wanted to tell her how much all of the birthday cards she had sent me my entire life had meant to me. She was thrilled and it meant a lot to her. Your dad would probably love to hear that he is YOUR hero.

I do the same thing. Get outta here!

why thanks, belle! YOU NOTICED!!!!

Happy Birthday to you!!!

(((PINKLADY))) You have such a sweet, wonderful heart. You ARE among friends here. PT me anytime or call and I'll call you back if you need someone to talk to. I have some free daytime minutes. Healing will come more and more until finally the memories will lose their power to hurt. I'm glad you came to gs to heal. wb

Welcome S&P! You've come to a fun place. And, thanks to you, Mstar1, I now have a new look. How pretty am I??????? Hehe.