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Didn't make my point very well did I LiftedUP? I'll try to write better next time :-)

Great subject, Jeff. I have to deal with having been a twi tool everyday, especially jobwise. It's hard not to notice it in the form of retirement funds and current job situation, but then I was not one of the faster ones to chase down new cheese sources. I found several that ran out and had to keep searching for just the right kind of cheese. Now that I've found it, the cheese is there, but most of it is in reserve for younger mice. :( Thank goodness perseverence is one of my strong points. ^_^ And, yes, I'm so sorry I promoted that sesspool, also, in addition to shooting myself in the foot for putting my real life on hold. I've apologized to everyone I know who I've hurt that I could find. Just hope the Lord can look at me and say he forgives me, too, when I see him.

If some of mine would come in right now in the form of a great job, I'm open to that. :D And, I'm very happy for your good fortune in that same area, Finallyunderstand!

Happy Birthday Jeff!

My thought exactly, waysider. Are they the same?

This reminds me of a man who was a member of the church I grew up in. Every Sunday, he always sat on the far left side of the second to front pew on the left side of the church. And, every Sunday, he sat there and read his Sunday newspaper until he was finished. LOL. Yes, I was looking for something different. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...

Happy BD, hiway!!!!

Twinky, are you serious????

Bingo! Thanks, Dooj.

I think we all know why he died--from the physical ailment. What I really wanted to discuss, and I'm sure I stated it badly, was why cg went to such lengths to state that vp really died of a "broken heart" because he just couldn't muster up his beeleaving to get healed because of all of the bad way people who wouldn't listen to him (vp) and run the ministry "right" (his way). I think this was cg's way of communicating the "spiritual reasons why vp died" which went along with what vp taught previously that we die when we stop believing. The suicide part was a bit tongue in cheek on my part (sorry for being so vague) which is the logical extention of believing cg's spin on vp's death. I think he didn't have "the will to live" because his lifestyle had caught up to him. But, yes, there was that other thing that wasn't listening to his believing and was giving him no choice...

cg said he died of a "broken heart." anyone else remember that?

Ok. So, it was not his choice at all. He had no control over the disease, right? So why did CG put the spin on it to try and make everyone think vp was in control right until the last second that he died?

Well, ok, I thought I added 2+2 and got 4. But, maybe not. Didn't cg say in pop that vp refused to eat and lost the will to live? I know some people do stop eating shortly before they die and that's a sign that they will die soon sometimes. But, in pop, it was written so it sounded like he could have gone on if only the bot had done what he'd told them, but they didn't heed his admonition, so he just decided to check out because the ministry wasn't being run right, yadayadayada... It was very much saying, I thought, that things were so screwed up the way the ministry was being run and that's why he decided to die. I remember thinking how it didn't sound right at the time and still don't believe that was the real reason he lost the will to live. "OK. I'll show you. I'll just die." Sounds cowardly at best....

Has anyone else every wondered about this? I'm sure many of us have mulled over this question a time or two. Sure sounded like suicide to me the way cg presented his account in POP. Why didn't victor have the will to live? He'd built a worldwide ministry and had passed on the baton to his most faithful student. Most people would have been looking forward to their sunset years to either write more books, mentor young Christians one-on-one, or just spend some time with their wife and family. It looked like he had it all. So, why did he intentionally check out during the years when he should have been enjoying the fruit of his labor? Was it because some women were beginning to talk? Were there other reasons?

Hey everybody. Both CNN and FOXNews ran this story this morning: Osteen Trial Update Wasn't that something we were told to never say in twi? See, our training came in handy for something. I'll bet in future she will happily clean up 50 cent-sized spills herself!

Hey Twinky, sorry I didn't make that clear. The "we" was everyone in my corps and we were given the autobiographies back a few days before graduation. I threw mine away when cleaning out my file cabinets 20 yrs. later, though. There were some more papers we'd written in our "10 Year Pack" also. JL said they decided not to do the 10 Yr. Pack anymore because they didn't want to hold on to that kind of information about people for that long.

...ditto...what ex10 said...that's what I thought they were for. It was a great exercise in self-awareness for me. JL gave ours back when we graduated in 1980 something.

Gosh, sure will.

Hey Tom. Here's another link with the story Osteen Case Apparently the young lady filing the suit has been at this kind of thing before according to this article:

Actually, no need to give VF credit for those things, imo. They're common figures that you had in middle or high school. Kids learn the first two in third grade now. But, nice to do so anyway if that's what you want to do.

LOL! Great point, waysider.

Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. You!!!!!

Happy Birthday, Raf!!!

The liquid diets sound great and I think I could stay on one. The only thing that bothers me is I knew someone who did lose a lot of weight on a liquid diet and had to have her gall bladder removed, the emergency doctor said, as a result of it. So, maybe they've fixed whatever caused those things by now. Hope so.

Radar, Happy Birthday, Cutiepie!