I do not think twi took anything , I think I gave them something alot in fact . to go back in time and try to think how things could have been is useless to me and if I think in these kind of terms I get rather negative about my life in general . Because as Hope said it was my adult life and I will forever deal with its impact.
I cant take it back Im not even sure I would if I could because I do not know what life would be without having to deal with it as a part of my life.
cause and effect has been almost thirty years here . I suppose one thing would be my constant inner need to find out what the bible says about something .. geez I do wonder sometimes how Normal people think when they have problems and do not think they should look for the answer in the bible.
I forgot HOW good Lord aww see now I have to try to figure out how to do something I do not know how to do. I would like that ability back but it seems to late for me.
Because the the need to do it is still bigger, than not doing it.
I do wonder tho , just a dream like you said.
habit I guess it isnt that easy to stop doing what we think we should is it?
also that christians fight to dam much amoung each other.
see im getting started.
What I was saying is and I may have sounded defensive I am sorry it doesnt do me any good to think about it. I am trying to think of today with a new day and when I see myself doing what I learned was right from twi. or an offshoot. I kind of recognize it and sometimes wish I was not thinking or doing things like this like condeming myself or another or feeling pompous and self righteous.
I wonder if I never got involved if I would have to deal with these , but how would I know ? that is why I do not blame twi anymore and just begin working on changing what I do not like day by day . it isnt easy.
I do wonder what my life would have been like but I have no comparison . i was very young and stupid then and old and not much smarter now I guess..
yea i am lying I guess one reason I can deny it is because I am afraid of just how angry I am but at what? a minisrty that "holds the truth"???
see I get to angry and it isnt good so I say i do not blame them till I start thinking about mylife and how much is connected to thoughts I learned from them and then I get angry at what MYSELF??
not good. so i try to stay peaceful and say they are ok and Im ok and life just happened this way and move on it is a daily process that is NOT working so well for me today.
After TWI, What is the "1" thing (and only 1) you would take or want given back fron TWI???
Tough question because I've moved on. The closest thing I could possibly say would be my first wife.
She had epilepsy. She was a Way College grad. She wanted to go in the Corpse the worst thing in the world (before we got married). She was medically disqual'd because of her epilsepsy. So she decided to practice "believing" and stopped taking her medicine. She had a grand mal seizure in her sleep, swallowed her tongue and stopped breathing. I woke up next to her and found her cold. Tried CPR, but it was way too late. Paramedics did what they could do, transported her and she was declared DOA at the hospital.
The terrible thing is that, because her seizures were starting to get worse, I had finally gotten her to agree to see a neurologist and had an appointment set so that she could get back on her meds.
Having said that, I'm perfectly happily married now. Have been for years. No, I don't wish to swap wife 2 for wife 1. But, you always wonder what if???
Her belief in their teachings (not any particular teacher, leader, or whatever -- I'm not blaming any person for that) took that "what if" away from me.
Mark I am very sorry. My current hubs has seizures. He was in denial for YEARS, It was difficult to have him take meds.
Living seizure to seizure is not easy for the epileptic or the spouse. It is difficult at best. I have dialed 911 several times and kept him from dying by being there -- once in the tub as it filled with water and he had fallen unconcious in the shower. Another time as he turned blue... It is truly a difficult spot to be in for both parties...
I do worry about the exact thing that happened to you. I am so sorry you had to go through that. AND I am happy that wife #2 has brought you joy and happiness.
i would take our youthful, unfettered trusting enthusiasm that we lived, in love, as a body.
I'd give it back to everyone.
"There is no use trying" said Alice, "one can't believe impossible things".
"I dare say, you haven’t had much practice" said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast".
Mine is similar to Coolwaters, the way I raised my daughter. My very rigid way of child-rearing learned in twi. My fear of letting her just be a kid. My dragging her around to all those meetings. Moving all the time so she could never develop long time childhood friendships. Etc etc etc. Oh yeah, and the mindset that it was not only ok, but necessary to hit your kids when they didn't behave.
we were part of the Way for 16 years , we slowly came to the realisation that we had nothing at all, our Finances Time and energy were put towards the Ministry under the guise of Serving God with all that we had. we love God but have found a better way to serve Him, it is called Living Life .
we Got out and realised that we had nothing for when we retire , we rented for 15 years and what did we have ? nothing .
we have been out for 2 years now and we have recently purchased a new Home , yes we now have A mortage and we are in Debt (hahahhaha) this is our third Property that we own and it was achieved by Hard Work , scarifices , and smart Financial advice , and my wife who is a Mortgage Broker specialist.
we love our lives and believe that God wants us to enjoy life now.
Even thoses who would like nothing back, I think I understand. MJ, I may have been a little defense too, in my reaction to your first response. But after reading your later posts, your point became clearer.
I don't post much anymore at the cafe, but I always like to come in and listen to the conversations. With so many conversations about what TWI took from believers, or what people gave up to be in TWI; I just thought it would be interesting to see what was the one thing people would want back. Also a little to much vino loosened my posting fingers.
good thread....immediately I would say I would like to have a relationship with my family again...they are still in...:(-->
Additionally, I would like to take back all the years I was stressed out for trying so hard to stay in fellowship...TWI always taught about not being ''in bondage''...if that wasn't bondage, I don't know what it was! Freedom to worship my God in my way is very liberating...and I know He accepts me where and who I am...
Peace and Love.
Love y'all,
-Colleen
GO VOLS!!
''...show a little faith, there's magic in the night, you ain't a beauty, but hey, you're alright, oh, and that's alright with me...''
It's taken me years to get back one thing that I lost at TWI, and I'm only working on it, not cured yet. Seems that my world-view philosophy was severely affected.
I became a mini-Nazi. I was influenced very heavily by the following doctrines:
Ultra-conservative rigidity of world-view.
Hatred and fear of homosexuals, the Roman Catholic church, outright denial of the truth of the holocaust; sexual promiscuity as an accepted practice. Superiority of men over women. Children viewed as an impediment to the freedom a woman should have to serve God, rather than as a blessing from God. Abortion as an accepted practice. Obey the man of God, right or wrong. Never trust a Townie. We are inherently better than everyone else, because we are the only ones in the whole wide world with the absolute truth; everyone else is going to hell, or at least misled, or unsaved, or otherwise not as pleasing to God as (((((me))))).
Outright disgust, mistrust, and superiority complex regarding any church, faith, lifestyle, or belief system which wasn't exactly like mine.
Sure, I'd like to have my twelve years back. But the most damaging things about TWI were philosophies and prejudices which I carried away with me, and have chiselled out of my heart, psyche, and interpersonal interactions day by day.
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ex for you my answer is
nothing.
I do not think twi took anything , I think I gave them something alot in fact . to go back in time and try to think how things could have been is useless to me and if I think in these kind of terms I get rather negative about my life in general . Because as Hope said it was my adult life and I will forever deal with its impact.
I cant take it back Im not even sure I would if I could because I do not know what life would be without having to deal with it as a part of my life.
cause and effect has been almost thirty years here . I suppose one thing would be my constant inner need to find out what the bible says about something .. geez I do wonder sometimes how Normal people think when they have problems and do not think they should look for the answer in the bible.
I forgot HOW good Lord aww see now I have to try to figure out how to do something I do not know how to do. I would like that ability back but it seems to late for me.
Because the the need to do it is still bigger, than not doing it.
I do wonder tho , just a dream like you said.
habit I guess it isnt that easy to stop doing what we think we should is it?
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also that christians fight to dam much amoung each other.
see im getting started.
What I was saying is and I may have sounded defensive I am sorry it doesnt do me any good to think about it. I am trying to think of today with a new day and when I see myself doing what I learned was right from twi. or an offshoot. I kind of recognize it and sometimes wish I was not thinking or doing things like this like condeming myself or another or feeling pompous and self righteous.
I wonder if I never got involved if I would have to deal with these , but how would I know ? that is why I do not blame twi anymore and just begin working on changing what I do not like day by day . it isnt easy.
I do wonder what my life would have been like but I have no comparison . i was very young and stupid then and old and not much smarter now I guess..
yea i am lying I guess one reason I can deny it is because I am afraid of just how angry I am but at what? a minisrty that "holds the truth"???
see I get to angry and it isnt good so I say i do not blame them till I start thinking about mylife and how much is connected to thoughts I learned from them and then I get angry at what MYSELF??
not good. so i try to stay peaceful and say they are ok and Im ok and life just happened this way and move on it is a daily process that is NOT working so well for me today.
thanks. well ex you asked.
one thing ?
cant do it.
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My fricking record collection.
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Did twi take them or did ya lose them in a shuffle moving ? or did you think they from satan and destroy them?
details pawtucket details please.
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MJ HA !!
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Good response!
I personally "chose" to get rid of stuff. How was it with you Paw?? 
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My naive belief that ANY GROUP has the ability to truly speak for God. My trust button has been TOTALLY busticated!
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Tough question because I've moved on. The closest thing I could possibly say would be my first wife.
She had epilepsy. She was a Way College grad. She wanted to go in the Corpse the worst thing in the world (before we got married). She was medically disqual'd because of her epilsepsy. So she decided to practice "believing" and stopped taking her medicine. She had a grand mal seizure in her sleep, swallowed her tongue and stopped breathing. I woke up next to her and found her cold. Tried CPR, but it was way too late. Paramedics did what they could do, transported her and she was declared DOA at the hospital.
The terrible thing is that, because her seizures were starting to get worse, I had finally gotten her to agree to see a neurologist and had an appointment set so that she could get back on her meds.
Having said that, I'm perfectly happily married now. Have been for years. No, I don't wish to swap wife 2 for wife 1. But, you always wonder what if???
Her belief in their teachings (not any particular teacher, leader, or whatever -- I'm not blaming any person for that) took that "what if" away from me.
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The years I lost. I would have done many MANY other things...
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Mark I am very sorry. My current hubs has seizures. He was in denial for YEARS, It was difficult to have him take meds.
Living seizure to seizure is not easy for the epileptic or the spouse. It is difficult at best. I have dialed 911 several times and kept him from dying by being there -- once in the tub as it filled with water and he had fallen unconcious in the shower. Another time as he turned blue... It is truly a difficult spot to be in for both parties...
I do worry about the exact thing that happened to you. I am so sorry you had to go through that. AND I am happy that wife #2 has brought you joy and happiness.
((((Mark))))
Okay - end of derail
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I think about my record collection a lot!
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I had some good experiences in twi and some bad. If I were completely miserable, I would have left a lot sooner.
There's only one thing that I couldn't repair or take with me and that is my best friend Sally.
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My daughter's well-being.
?????????????
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i would take our youthful, unfettered trusting enthusiasm that we lived, in love, as a body.
I'd give it back to everyone.
"There is no use trying" said Alice, "one can't believe impossible things".
"I dare say, you haven’t had much practice" said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast".
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Mine is similar to Coolwaters, the way I raised my daughter. My very rigid way of child-rearing learned in twi. My fear of letting her just be a kid. My dragging her around to all those meetings. Moving all the time so she could never develop long time childhood friendships. Etc etc etc. Oh yeah, and the mindset that it was not only ok, but necessary to hit your kids when they didn't behave.
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thanks mj and everyone else
sorry for my ....y mood last night
mark i'm very very sorry about your poor wife.
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ex10
Gosh, I'm feeling guilty.
The only thing I can think of that I want back is my high school class ring that I pawned when I was a WOW to pay rent one month.
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I'd go along with myseestorEx's first response.
And I'd say to myotherseestorEx10, I did that too!
I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.
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my 22 years with them and my childrens wellbeing.
Dovey....proud owner of two low riders...Dovey's Doxies...... too dumb to post pics http://gscafe.com/groupee/forums?s=9716057...a&ul=4846073735
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Time , years ,
we were part of the Way for 16 years , we slowly came to the realisation that we had nothing at all, our Finances Time and energy were put towards the Ministry under the guise of Serving God with all that we had. we love God but have found a better way to serve Him, it is called Living Life .
we Got out and realised that we had nothing for when we retire , we rented for 15 years and what did we have ? nothing .
we have been out for 2 years now and we have recently purchased a new Home , yes we now have A mortage and we are in Debt (hahahhaha) this is our third Property that we own and it was achieved by Hard Work , scarifices , and smart Financial advice , and my wife who is a Mortgage Broker specialist.
we love our lives and believe that God wants us to enjoy life now.
so if i could i would want those lost years back.
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Welcome Junior!
Congrats on the home!
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So many great responses.
Even thoses who would like nothing back, I think I understand. MJ, I may have been a little defense too, in my reaction to your first response. But after reading your later posts, your point became clearer.
I don't post much anymore at the cafe, but I always like to come in and listen to the conversations. With so many conversations about what TWI took from believers, or what people gave up to be in TWI; I just thought it would be interesting to see what was the one thing people would want back. Also a little to much vino loosened my posting fingers.
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LooKout...
good thread....immediately I would say I would like to have a relationship with my family again...they are still in...
:(-->
Additionally, I would like to take back all the years I was stressed out for trying so hard to stay in fellowship...TWI always taught about not being ''in bondage''...if that wasn't bondage, I don't know what it was! Freedom to worship my God in my way is very liberating...and I know He accepts me where and who I am...
Peace and Love.
Love y'all,
-Colleen
GO VOLS!!
''...show a little faith, there's magic in the night, you ain't a beauty, but hey, you're alright, oh, and that's alright with me...''
-Bruce Springsteen
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It's taken me years to get back one thing that I lost at TWI, and I'm only working on it, not cured yet. Seems that my world-view philosophy was severely affected.
I became a mini-Nazi. I was influenced very heavily by the following doctrines:
Ultra-conservative rigidity of world-view.
Hatred and fear of homosexuals, the Roman Catholic church, outright denial of the truth of the holocaust; sexual promiscuity as an accepted practice. Superiority of men over women. Children viewed as an impediment to the freedom a woman should have to serve God, rather than as a blessing from God. Abortion as an accepted practice. Obey the man of God, right or wrong. Never trust a Townie. We are inherently better than everyone else, because we are the only ones in the whole wide world with the absolute truth; everyone else is going to hell, or at least misled, or unsaved, or otherwise not as pleasing to God as (((((me))))).
Outright disgust, mistrust, and superiority complex regarding any church, faith, lifestyle, or belief system which wasn't exactly like mine.
Sure, I'd like to have my twelve years back. But the most damaging things about TWI were philosophies and prejudices which I carried away with me, and have chiselled out of my heart, psyche, and interpersonal interactions day by day.
"Live just, and fear not."
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amen niKa, amen...
I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.
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