But the the thread should go back to discussing the benefits of drinking oxygenated water. If it is a help to health then fine.
The adds I see on the tube promoting meds have more adverse side affects than benefits, yet people spend billions on junk like the removal of fungus in the toenails.
Take this pill to rid yourself of toenail fungus, but buyer beware, it can also blow out your liver, and kidneys, but you'll have beautiful looking toenails when they lay you out.
I don't see the harmful effects like this when it comes to drinking water with more oxygen in it. And if it's nothing more than like taking sugar pills, Oh well. At least people are drinking more water.
Raf, I probably could find someone who said they drank water out of a sewer and claimed it was no different from any other water, and then develope a whole thesis based on this "eyewitness" account, showing that he mentioned the wrong sewer, or didn't include various other facts he should have included in his report, like it's good to pick ones nose when drinking sewer water. But he would still be a strawman and anyone reading the thesis would still be straining over words to no profit.
I was away for a bit and missed this drivel, so allow me a late response:
If someone were to say drinking sewer water was beneficial, I would point out that it's not. I don't imagine it would go beyond that, but if such a person were to persist in his insistence that sewer water was beneficial, I would continue with more facts before finally giving up on him. Whether you consider it a waste of time or not is really not my concern. You asked for a substantive thread I had started, then you judge me for responding to someone else's deeply held belief. I am not really concerned about your judgment, truth be told. I didn't ask you, and now that I have your judgment, I will promptly ignore it.
First chance I get, I'll try some, but no one is claiming that it's harmful, just that it's claims are bogus
Oakspear, please do let us all know the results of your research once you've done some. Until then, maybe you should read the entire thread so you won't make such egregious errors as to say "no one is claiming that it's harmful". As I recall, someone said I should "shut up before you kill someone" back on this thread somewhere so you might be taking a grave risk drinking oxygenated water. Come to think about it, Raf's only substantial contribution to this thread as been to say that he didn't think oxygenated water was harmful- although he didn't tell us why he came to that conclusion.
Also, you don't get to be the expert on whether the topic is controversial or merely dubious. It was declared controversial by a medical doctor a couple of years ago in a discussion about the subject (in which I was a participant)on Horsescience. This doctor was in private practice and his family owns the world's most prestegous Standardbred Breeding operation, in Hershey, Pa., Hanover Farms.
I asked him what was so controversial about the subject, given the test results we were talking about (double blind tests on horses done by a German firm in Portland, OR. four or five years ago, but not published since they wanted to keep the information for themselves- the only reason the test results were known is because the moderator of the discussion site was the horse consultant to the Thoroughbred operation in Portland, was party to the tests, but didn't sign a confidentiality agreement- unfortunate for the German firm, and chose to discuss it on his web site.)
Anyway, the controversy was about how the oxygenated water increased performance, not that it did. At the time I didn't know a thing about the lymph system, let alone the fact that it is twice the size of the circulatory system, and I don't think the good doctor from Pennsylvania had yet considered it either. He was still marveling that both the veineous and arterial plasma showed increased oxygen levels- a revelation to him- being proof positive that the effect wasn't merely a hemoglobin issue.
The test (which I discussed early on in this thread) only measured the plasma oxygen concentration in both the artery side and vein side of the circulatory system before and after drinking highly oxygenated water, along with other parameters such as heart rate before and after exercise, with and without drinking the oxygenated water.
But at least everyone in the discussion knew that one doesn't bring up "placebo effect" when horses are the test subjects. That may be just around the corner, when we discover that horses talk to each other and say things like "naw, it didn't really help you win the race, you just thought it did and so you ran harder".
Oh, and you'll have to be quite a bit more specific about all the "experts" that suposedly showed up on on this thread, with their vast backgrounds in the sciences, to give scientific evidence that oxygen saturated water doesn't work. I don't know of any and I've been waiting for five months now for some to show up for a legitimate debate, if there is any evidence at all on the other side of the issue- and do so complete with civility! I assumed some might be among those that got into twi and then left after I did, but either they have no interest in this site or else there were none. At least back in the sixties and early seventies there were quite a few very talented and highly educated people in all kinds of fields that took interest in twi and took PFAL, not to mention school teachers and other more modest professionals. So where are they on this site? I remember from Waydale that there were some very insightful posts (to go along with the nay-sayers, thread killers, and folks that just wanted to hear themselves talk.)
But I'm getting tired of the drivel and since Elvis has left the building, I may soon follow.
We have test results, but they're secret test results. See, that's why no one's collected the million dollars yet. They want to keep the test results secret.
Oakspear, please do let us all know the results of your research once you've done some.
Sure, but my opinion on the benefits of oxygenated water will be worth about as much as anybody else's...not much, if it's based solely on trying a few bottles. By the way, I have checked all the grocery stores in town and have not found any Penta water, or anything else that labels itself as "oxygen saturated" or anything other than "water". There are a few health food and natural food stores I haven't checked yet though, but with the mention of all the grocery stores carrying Penta, I would have thought I could have found some. After all, grocery stores carry what sells.
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Until then, maybe you should read the entire thread so you won't make such egregious errors as to say "no one is claiming that it's harmful".
Oh, I've read the whole thread Davey-boy. Your droning is good bedtimes reading, puts a guy to sleep real effectively.
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As I recall, someone said I should "shut up before you kill someone" back on this thread somewhere so you might be taking a grave risk drinking oxygenated water.
Hmmm...read the whole thread? How about this:
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David: As Goey said, not all bleach is chlorine bleach, and oxygen most certainly is a bleaching agent.
As for your petulant scoffing at my claims of possible contamination of industrial-grade oxygen, perhaps the FDA's own warning might persuade you. (Probably not, since it's part of the Evil FEDGOVâ„¢ who has been beaming mind-control microwaves at your tinfoil hat again...)
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Medical gases not filled in accordance with the current good manufacturing practice regulations can and have resulted in medical gases that are contaminated which can cause serious injury and/or death to patients who were administered the gas. In fact, injury and death of patients has occurred in the past due to CGMP problems.
And that's a warning against medical-grade oxygen cylinders, which are supposed to be filled under much more scrutinized conditions than your local welding-supply shop! For those interested, here's the whole FDA article: FDA Medical Gas Requirements
David, you are an ignorant poser who needs to shut the hell up before your stupidity kills an innocent victim before it kills you.
In case you're wondering, he didn't say that drinking oxy-water could kill you, just listening to your ignorant spoutings about pressurized oxygen
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Come to think about it, Raf's only substantial contribution to this thread as been to say that he didn't think oxygenated water was harmful- although he didn't tell us why he came to that conclusion.
Maybe because he has no evidence to believe it does, and looks for evidence unlike some windbag engineers around here
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Also, you don't get to be the expert on whether the topic is controversial or merely dubious.
No, but I do get to have an opinion. I am the expert on pizza (Raf - do you ever go to Applebee's? They have a blasphemous Thai "pizza" - what's this world coming to?)
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It was declared controversial by a medical doctor a couple of years ago in a discussion about the subject (in which I was a participant)on Horsescience.
Oh, it was DECLARED controversial by one doctor -->
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Oh, and you'll have to be quite a bit more specific about all the "experts" that suposedly showed up on on this thread,...
I did not use the word "experts" in this thread.
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...with their vast backgrounds in the sciences, to give scientific evidence that oxygen saturated water doesn't work.
As we have been waiting for evidence that it does. You generally can't prove a negative.
The evidence D.A. is "waiting" for has already been provided. Like a certain other poster, he dismisses such actual evidence out of hand and then declares his position has not been disproven, when, in fact, it has.
From his second or third post, he has been hypercritical and insulting to anyone who dares challenge his thesis. Naysayers. Horse trainers. Jerks. Meanwhile the critics are the ones who get called out for rudeness. The double standard is mind-numbing. I suppose because his insults are shrouded in long-windedness, nobody finds them as rude as, say, a simple declaration that Penta Water produces a fine burp but is otherwise bunk (even though such a statement insults the product and not the person making the claim).
BTW, there's another product touted in Randi's column that could be a Godsend for some of the posters on this thread - "Gulli Go". I've been taking it for years. "Works great!"
Unless you have gills, it's just an expensive burp!
Oxygenated water (also known as "superoxygenated" water) is offered at hundreds of Web sites. I highly recommend it if you happen to be a fish, but if you have lungs that breathe air, then forget about it! All water that has been exposed to the air is "oxygenated" to a small extent-- about 8 milligrams of O2 per liter of water at room temperature-- and this can be increased by pressurizing the water with oxygen gas; each additional atmosphere of oxygen pressure pumps an additional 40 mg into each liter. But what happens when you open the bottle? That's right, the extra oxygen goes right back out— but not immediately, so by drinking oxygenated water, you can still take in a bit more oxygen. But can any oxygen molecules that don't get burped back out actually find their way into your bloodstream through absorption in the stomach or intestine? I don't pretend to know, but I very much doubt it; the lungs are exquisitely adapted to this function, while your digestive system is specialized for absorbing other nutrients. Suppose, instead, that you simply breathe in an extra liter of air (much easier to do than drinking a liter of water!) It's an easy chemistry students' calculation to show that you will be inhaling about 146 mg of oxygen in this way. Not all of it will enter your bloodstream, but you can always take an extra breath; it's free!
These products seem to be pitched especially at the sports community, always on the lookout for that thin advantage that can make all the difference. There is no credible evidence that it does, as the following articles mention:
Superoxygenated water is latest sports scam
Oxygenated water: Fad and fiction in one expensive burp
Oxygen is good—even when it's not there; alternative medicine's claims for the efficacy of supplemental oxygen are less than convincing—especially when the supplement contains no oxygen
Harriet A. Hall - Skeptical Inquirer, Jan-Feb 2004
Oxygen is actually a cellular poison!
Yes, we need it to live, but only at the 21% atmospheric concentration provided by Nature. When life first appeared on Earth there was no oxygen in the atmosphere, but when green plants arrived they started "polluting" the air with O2, and those organisms that are exposed to the air had to develop some rather elaborate defenses against it.
Brief summary of what happened
Comprehensive review of oxygen toxicity.
But don't worry about the water; the amount of O2 in even "superoxygenated" waters is far too small to cause harm, other than perhaps to your wallet!
Some typical floggers of these worthless Wunderwassers:
A Canadian company uses special "diffusion technology"... "increasing the oxygen content of water by 700%". Wow!
This one goes the Canucks one better by actually shrinking the H2O molecules:
Emerald Greens Oxygenated AND Structured Water is a water that has smaller molecules of water so it can be penetrated quicker into the cells, and therefore hydrate your body faster and more efficiently.
(I use purple prose to highlight claims that I consider incorrect, misleading, or scientifically absurd, all of which apply to the foregoing quote from this thankfully-disappeared page.)
...but why not pile on even more hype?
As you might expect, the real hypemeisters don't stop at merely adding oxygen; consider, for example, the one widely-promoted product claims
colloidal minerials inserted and stablized in the Secrets of Hunza® and other ... Oxygenated Water have very large negative zata potentials on each colloidal particle. [We] can formulate a varity of oxygenated, herbal and sports beverages with very large, stabilized zeta potentials up to several hundred millivolts if necessary. [http://greatspirit.earth.com/hunza.html]
(It turns out that zeta potentials, something I always thought only a colloid chemist can love, are a fairly big thing in the "alternative" water field.)
One nameless outfit claims that their "Super Water" aqueous snake-oil provides
stabilized oxygen found in micro-encapsulated water clusters.
-- thus leading us back to the wide world of water cluster foolery.
Another manufacturer falsely tells us that
Just putting OXYGEN into water does NOTHING (unless you are a fish)... the molecules must first be extended USING A PATENTED METHOD OF EXPANSION AND CONTRACTION OF THE WATER MOLECULES SEVERAL TIMES/MINUTE TO CONSUME OXYGEN, WHILE TAKING ON DONOR ELECTRONS! Our patented method EXPANDS TODAY'S WATER MOLECULES... so they can take on more donor electrons! It's logical that most products are activated by the ELECTRONS in WATER [link]
and sells a bogus "water machine" that purports to enlarge the water molecules so they can accommodate these extra electrons.
Super-oxygenation baloney
It's not enough to simply dissolve more oxygen in the water; several outfits make ridiculous claims that they have found a way to chemically bond O2 to H2O, producing a "super oxygenated" water that contains 240,000 ppm of instead of the measly 100 ppm that the other pikers flog. Have any of you other chemists ever heard of H-O-O-O-H ? A "per-peroxide"? This bunch of hucksters say
a team of scientists and professionals worked for eight years to develop a completely unique and proprietary method of bonding oxygen to water molecules. Where others dissolve oxygen into a bottle, our unique product provides a stable and molecularly bonded source of oxygen. ...Tests have shown that stabilized oxygen with a high pH, will have the pH reduced to near the pH of the water into which it is dosed. ...The long-held belief that stabilized oxygen must be of a high alkalinity (pH) in order to work is a wrong assumption. Contrary to this, a neutral pH of the stabilized oxygen is desirable as the release of the oxygen in the gastric fluid is slowed down allowing the body to absorb and utilize the valuable oxygen ions.
What's that again? That sounds like the stuff I used to read when marking exam papers! Maybe if those jocks who used to populate the back rows of my Chemistry classes had paid more attention, they would be less likely to be taken in by garbage like this!
Oxygenated water is sometimes sold under the ridiculous name of "Vitamin O"; a former RoseCreek page flogs "Electrically activated Vitamin O" . A recent FTC action has fined this company for false advertising, but the wonders of this snake-oil are still being promoted by an individual who claims to have carried out clinical trials, although I have been unable to find any evidence of them, or of the author's standing in the scientific community. For another opinion on "Vitamin O" and of this study, see this Skeptical Inquirer article.
Another promoter claims to have a process that
alters the bond between the oxygen and hydrogen atoms that make up the water molecule and allows for release of oxygen by means of a catalytic reaction when Biocatalyst comes in contact with cell walls. Water molecules exist at a higher energy state than either hydrogen molecules or oxygen molecules. In nature, molecules tend to combine or split in order to reach a lower energy level.
There is, of course, no reason to take this crackpot chemistry seriously!
Not just for drinking
"Electrically engineered eloptic energized stabilized oxygenated water" (sounds impressive!) is described as
…an industrial-strength, multi-purpose cleanser that will meet all your personal care and household needs. This God-given, concentrated formula is made from all natural ingredients that will clean, degrease and deodorize anything, from your glass and mirrors, carpet and upholstery and even heavy cleaning such as grease traps and oil spots on the concrete garage floor to your baby’s bottom. [link]
Well, I don't think I would want to try something strong enough to remove grease from the garage floor on my bottom, which is admittedly far less soft and supple than that of a baby! Among the ingredients are "ash of dedecyl solution (foaming agent), sea grass (for color) and the anointing of God."
Another company offers a "Coherent Water Resonator" that purports to oxygenate ponds by what I can only characterize as magical crackpot chemistry:
"it breaks the loose-linked Hydroxyl Ion Bond, which releases the bound-up Oxygen and then allows the water to absorb Oxygen naturally from the atmosphere to satisfy it’s need. "
"Nobody has Enough Hydrogen or 02, Not on this Planet"
This is one of many lies offered up by an outfit that flogs a worthless "oxygen-plus" supplement to the scientifically challenged at $22 per bottle.
The air we breathe formerly contained 50 percent oxygen. But today, we only have about 20 percent in our air and there is even less in large cities. The medical profession has confirmed that most viruses, parasites, bacteria, fungus and pathogens are anaerobic—they CANNOT live in oxygen. If we are not getting enough oxygen, our bodies become fertile breeding grounds for disease.
The "50% oxygen" is of course pure fiction. And yes, many bacteria are anaerobic, but few viruses, parasites and fungi are. And these hucksters fail to mention that O2 is a cellular poison in the wrong locations and the source of those nasty free radicals that are supposed to accelerate aging. But if oxygen supplements can hook the suckers, so can hydrogen, so the fibbing continues:
The purpose of hydrogen is to give structure to the body. What do you get when you bubble hydrogen through vegetable oil? You get margarine! Now, imagine hydrogen without oxygen. Your cells could become like margarine. [link]
You may remember that it is the smallest Critical Element and is capable of passing through the cell wall. In order for our cells to function they must communicate with each other through electrons but electrons can not move in the body without hydrogen. Cells must have oxygen but oxygen does not work without hydrogen. Cells cannot multiply or grow without hydrogen. The very fabric of our being, our DNA, is held together by Hydrogen bonds. Hydrogen is literally the fuel of life. [link]
When we are born we have plenty of Hydrogen but as we age our Hydrogen pool becomes depleted. When this occurs, free radicals steel it from essential areas thus accelerating aging and disease. [link]
...and deuterium too!
In my humble opinion, there are few health-quackery Web sites that contain a higher proportion of false and deceptive statements than those promoting this classic snake-oil:
[Our product] has the unique ability to disassociate the water molecule into nascent hydrogen and nascent oxygen. This water "splitting" technology enables the release of hydrogen and oxygen gases simultaneously in a chain reaction that involves one five-hundred thousandths of the available moisture at one time. Water "splitting" is achieved by means of shifting and weakening the bonding electrons (ionic transfers) of the water molecule towards oxygen and away from hydrogen. [it] allows the bonds in the electron distribution to be unsymmetrical (polar). [http://www.nuscience.com/cellfood.htm]
Anyone who has taken even an elementary chemistry course will recognize this as errant nonsense. There are the usual unsubstantiated and ridiculous health claims ("aids clear thinking", helps to reduce and/or eliminates menopausal hot flashes and night sweats"). The product itself is described as a
"super energized colloidal mineral concentrate. ... Di-base, Di-pole Deuterium Sulfate provides an incredible oxygen source and delivery system to the body at the cellular level."
Deuterium sulfate? Deuterium is the isotope H2 (often given the symbol D) which makes up about 1 out of 10,000 of the hydrogen atoms found in nature. Although extensive research has shown that organisms are unable to survive on heavy water (D2O), the same sites go on about its benefits, spinning a tale about an inventor/con-artist (take your pick!) Everett M. Storey and a ficticious Deuterium Freedom Act purportedly passed by the U.S. 99th Congress that confirms deuterium's ability to "speed up the digestive process". However, the extensive list of chemicals in CellFood does not mention deuterium, although the list does include such beneficial elements as actinium, gadolinium, neon, technetium (!) and xenon. Another sad case of selling snake-oil to the suckers.
Stable fables: oxidants are actually good for you!
A huge part of the alternative-health-quackery industry is devoted to supplying those free-radical fighters known as antioxidants (Whose benefits as dietary supplements are entirely unproven— but that's another subject.) But pseudoscience knows no bounds and can be twisted in any direction, so here's an Idaho company (where else?) that flogs a nostrum they call stabilized oxygen. A thankfully-now-disappeared Web site goes on at great length about the importance of protecting our cells from oxygen deprivation:
Oxygen plays another important role in the body acting as a guardian and protector against unfriendly bacteria and disease organisms. One of oxygen's major functions is disintegration. Rubble, garbage, toxins, refuse, debris, and anything useless are destroyed by oxygen and carried out of the system. Just as a clean house holds little interest to passing flies, likewise, an oxygen rich body is a difficult fortress to assail.
... all errant nonsense, of course! Anyway, they go on about how their product helps you to enjoy
the tremendous bene fits of oxygen to the body other than through the breathing process. Oxygen is very difficult to stabilize and until a recent scientific breakthrough, oxygen has not been stabilized in a beneficial non-toxic form.
This flapdoodle overlooks the fact that oxygen is not present in the blood as O2, but is complexed to hemoglobin which controls the amount of oxygen delivered to cells through an exquisitely-evolved feedback mechanism. What these hucksters mean by "stabilizing" the oxygen is not entirely clear. We are told that
Stabilized oxygen is an oxide of chlorides compound stabilized with the richest known source of nascent oxygen with several atoms per molecule.
Whatever they mean by "oxide of chlorides compound" could be any number of substances from chlorine dioxide (ClO2) to perchloric acid (HClO4). The first is a poison and the second is explosive, so I presume they have come up with something in between. The term "nascent oxgyen" (see below) usually means free oxygen atoms as opposed to the stable molecule O2 which make up 20% of the air we breathe. But it gets more complicated:
[This product] is a safe, non toxic, stabilized liquid concentrate of electrolytes of oxygen, which are made available to your body, in molecular form, when ingested. ... The genius of it is the formulating of the two most abundant and important electrolytes of body fluid, sodium and chlorine, to act as the oxygen carriers. The molecular oxygen is released through the digestive process, and is absorbed into the bloodstream. ... In an ordinary glass of tap water there is on the average, 7-12 ppm of oxygen molecules. In Stabilized Oxygen the amount of available oxygen increased to about 12,000 ppm or 1,000 times.
Wow! This appears to be a good description of sodium hypochlorite NaOCl, otherwise known as laundry bleach. Thanks, but I think I'll pass on this one!
"Nascent" oxygen dietary supplement nonsense
The ordinary oxygen that we breathe is really the molecule"dioxygen", O2. "Nascent" oxygen (a term not used much by contemporary chemists) refers to plain oxygen atoms. These species normally have only a transient existence before they react with themselves (to produce O2), with water to produce hydrogen peroxide H2O2 (a cellular poison), or with just about any carbon-containing substance around them— such as your body! Any claims that this stuff can posssibly be good for you or that it can somehow "stabilized" are plain lies. Also, any agent capable of generating atomic oxygen (as chemists call it) would do even more damage to the body, so I think claims that any dietary supplements can even produce it are untrue.
None of this appears to stop various outfits from hawking oxygenated snake oils such as the one making claims that their product
is unique in its ability to create nascent (meaning newly-born) oxygen. In biochemical terms 'nascent' oxygen refers to the newly born singlet oxygen (O-) that has not yet entered the biochemical reaction. Free radicals (which many biochemists believe are a primary cause of aging and degenerative disease) are positively charged ions of oxygen (O+). Since nascent oxygen molecules are negatively charged, they actually seek out and attract these dangerous free radicals, combining with them to form simple pure stabilized oxygen (O2).
Well, ionized atomic oxygen (O– or O+) does exist in the upper atomosphere, but it would be instant death to any body tissues. And far from being a free radical fighter, any form of the "singlet" oxygen they refer to is either itself a free radical or capable of producing them when it reacts with water or virtually any other cellular component. If you feel comfortable consuming a product from an outfit that exhibits this level of chemical incompetence, be my guest!
Of course they don't stop there, but go on to evoke even weirder pseudoscience, claiming that the product
will tend to normalize the body's acid-base balance by delivering its 78 essential minerals as enzymatic cofactors— assisting critical enymatic reactions to proceed optimally.
... which is biochemical hokum, and
Scientists Simeonton, Likhovsky and Bovis estimated that the average human body radiates a life force frequency of 6,500 angstroms— with cancer patients radiating at 1,875 angstroms (the same measurement as for refined white bread). Just one drop of [the product's] powerful 'electromagnetic equation' in 6-8 ounces of water ema- nates 77,000 units of radiant life energy— bringing a dramatic increase in life force to every cell of the body.
... pure nonsensical fantasy.
But if this is not enough, check out this Seven Sided Oxygenated Water "that penetrates into dehydrated structures of the body and breaks apart the ionic bonds of substance or structure that are atypical to the bodies normal function." This site is a fount of misinformation (for example, that the atmospheric concentration of oxygen has been rapidly decreasing over the last millenium, and that this, and anaerobic conditions in general, promote cancer.) They make the highly dubious claim that their bottled water contains 400-600 ppm of oxygen. And of course it protects the body from infection, helps reduce pain levels, and enhances carbohydrate metabolism, etc. etc.
Purchase your copy written by Paul C Bragg N.D., Ph.D. Life Extension Specialist & Patricia Bragg N.D., Ph.D., Health & Fitness Expert.
ISBN 0-87790-063-9
The Shocking Truth that Can Save Your Life Paul C.Bragg N.D.Ph.D. Patricia Bragg N.D.Ph.D
Page 55 Water and Its Effects On the Human Body.
"Don’t drink Inorganic Mineralized Water."
Page 144
"Your minerals must come from an organic source, from something living or that has lived. Humans do not have the same chemistry as plants. Only the living plant has the ability to extract inorganic minerals from the earth and convert them to organic minerals for your body to absorb and utilize".
Page 146
"Pure water is the greatest life-giver and essential for health."
In his study, "Relationship of Water to the Risk of Dying, Dr. Sauer chronicled the relationship of Total Dissolved Solids to heart disease, cancer and other chronic diseases (Total Dissolved Solids-or TDS, is the term for all the elements present in any water supply). It had been thought for centuries that the European mineral waters so very high TDS were beneficial to health. But Dr. Sauer’s study found that TDS increases in a water supply, so does the number of chronic diseases in the population using that supply".
(Author’s Note: At our home in Desert Hot Springs, one of California’s renowned hot mineral water resorts, our water pipes had to be replaced after only a few years due to mineral buildup in the pipes. What this inorganic mineral-laced water does to the plumbing in buildings it also does to human pipes!"
Pure water is will influence the bottom mentioned problems:
a) The prevention of premature aging.
b) Lubricating the Body Joints and Aiding the Muscle Tone and Flexability.
c) Remove Waste Products from our Body.
d) Reducing the Risk of High Blood Pressure.
e) Alleviating Fatique to the Liver, Kidneys and Heart.
f) Reduce the Risk of Cancer.
g) Control Body Temperature.
h) Reduce the Risks of Birth Defects.
i) Speed up the recovery from Illness, Distribution of nutritional minerals.
j) Losing Weight.
k) Reduce the problem of water retention.
i) Nourish Dehydrated sagging Skin. and on and on....
For those with the patience to have waded through all the crap to get to this point, there is a listing of the Lymphatics of the Abdomen, posted by the U. of Michigan Gross Anatomy Department, at http://www.med.umich.edu/lrc/coursepages/M...ph_abdomen.html
that you might find interesting.
Seems that in the abdomonal cavity alone there are some 45 different kinds of structures in the lymph system, of which 39 are different kinds of lymph nodes. Althgether there are some 700-800 individual lymph nodes- in the abdomonal cavity alone.
The chart gives where the inflow comes from (afferents from) and where the outflow goes (Efferents to), the regions drained and where all these lymph nodes are located. It's quite a different picture than the simplistic notion that the water we drink merely gets dumped into the blood stream through the thoracic duct after being absorbed in the small intestine.
And you can bet that each of the 700-800 lymph nodes needs oxygen to do it's job of breaking down toxins and the trash from cell metabolism and building lymphocytes so they can do their job throughout the body. And the more oxygen in the water you drink, the better these 700-800 lymph nodes in the abdomonal cavity are going to function.
Dr. Philip James, mentioned early on in this thread, has published that the autoimmune system works best when the oxygen partial pressure is 50-80 mm Hg, and that hemoglobin can generate a partial pressure no greater than 39 mm Hg (and less than that as we age or get sick).
So to get the oxygen partial pressure up to where the immune system works best, one needs to either get into a hyperbaric chamber or drink oxygen saturated water- which in actuality is merely very low grade hyperbaric therapy that anyone can do without ill effects. (ie. you drink water at atmospheric pressure but it is saturated with oxygen when you drink it instead of holding only a small fraction of what it can hold- or none at all as in the case of coffee, softdrinks, and various juices that are heated before being bottled). It won't quite get the rest of the bodies water to 50 mm Hg once it is fully diluted after drinking, but it can get close to that, and stay there for an hour or so, if one drinks a sixteen ounce glass of 70 ppm oxygen contained water.
The hecklers, nay-sayers, and jerks need not reply- but probably will anyway simply because it's their nature! (like a sow that was washed returns to it's wallowing in the mud and the dog returns to it's vommit- it's their nature.)
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The last several pages remind me of moose during the rut!
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But the the thread should go back to discussing the benefits of drinking oxygenated water. If it is a help to health then fine.
The adds I see on the tube promoting meds have more adverse side affects than benefits, yet people spend billions on junk like the removal of fungus in the toenails.
Take this pill to rid yourself of toenail fungus, but buyer beware, it can also blow out your liver, and kidneys, but you'll have beautiful looking toenails when they lay you out.
I don't see the harmful effects like this when it comes to drinking water with more oxygen in it. And if it's nothing more than like taking sugar pills, Oh well. At least people are drinking more water.
That's as critical as I can get on the subject.
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I was away for a bit and missed this drivel, so allow me a late response:
If someone were to say drinking sewer water was beneficial, I would point out that it's not. I don't imagine it would go beyond that, but if such a person were to persist in his insistence that sewer water was beneficial, I would continue with more facts before finally giving up on him. Whether you consider it a waste of time or not is really not my concern. You asked for a substantive thread I had started, then you judge me for responding to someone else's deeply held belief. I am not really concerned about your judgment, truth be told. I didn't ask you, and now that I have your judgment, I will promptly ignore it.
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Belle
I saved a bunch of money on my car insurance........
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Penta Water
Cool...
Refreshing...
Delicious...
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David Anderson
Oakspear, please do let us all know the results of your research once you've done some. Until then, maybe you should read the entire thread so you won't make such egregious errors as to say "no one is claiming that it's harmful". As I recall, someone said I should "shut up before you kill someone" back on this thread somewhere so you might be taking a grave risk drinking oxygenated water. Come to think about it, Raf's only substantial contribution to this thread as been to say that he didn't think oxygenated water was harmful- although he didn't tell us why he came to that conclusion.
Also, you don't get to be the expert on whether the topic is controversial or merely dubious. It was declared controversial by a medical doctor a couple of years ago in a discussion about the subject (in which I was a participant)on Horsescience. This doctor was in private practice and his family owns the world's most prestegous Standardbred Breeding operation, in Hershey, Pa., Hanover Farms.
I asked him what was so controversial about the subject, given the test results we were talking about (double blind tests on horses done by a German firm in Portland, OR. four or five years ago, but not published since they wanted to keep the information for themselves- the only reason the test results were known is because the moderator of the discussion site was the horse consultant to the Thoroughbred operation in Portland, was party to the tests, but didn't sign a confidentiality agreement- unfortunate for the German firm, and chose to discuss it on his web site.)
Anyway, the controversy was about how the oxygenated water increased performance, not that it did. At the time I didn't know a thing about the lymph system, let alone the fact that it is twice the size of the circulatory system, and I don't think the good doctor from Pennsylvania had yet considered it either. He was still marveling that both the veineous and arterial plasma showed increased oxygen levels- a revelation to him- being proof positive that the effect wasn't merely a hemoglobin issue.
The test (which I discussed early on in this thread) only measured the plasma oxygen concentration in both the artery side and vein side of the circulatory system before and after drinking highly oxygenated water, along with other parameters such as heart rate before and after exercise, with and without drinking the oxygenated water.
But at least everyone in the discussion knew that one doesn't bring up "placebo effect" when horses are the test subjects. That may be just around the corner, when we discover that horses talk to each other and say things like "naw, it didn't really help you win the race, you just thought it did and so you ran harder".
Oh, and you'll have to be quite a bit more specific about all the "experts" that suposedly showed up on on this thread, with their vast backgrounds in the sciences, to give scientific evidence that oxygen saturated water doesn't work. I don't know of any and I've been waiting for five months now for some to show up for a legitimate debate, if there is any evidence at all on the other side of the issue- and do so complete with civility! I assumed some might be among those that got into twi and then left after I did, but either they have no interest in this site or else there were none. At least back in the sixties and early seventies there were quite a few very talented and highly educated people in all kinds of fields that took interest in twi and took PFAL, not to mention school teachers and other more modest professionals. So where are they on this site? I remember from Waydale that there were some very insightful posts (to go along with the nay-sayers, thread killers, and folks that just wanted to hear themselves talk.)
But I'm getting tired of the drivel and since Elvis has left the building, I may soon follow.
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We have test results, but they're secret test results. See, that's why no one's collected the million dollars yet. They want to keep the test results secret.
Gimme a B!
Gimme and UNK!
What does it spell?
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Raf
Good. Stop writing it.
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The evidence D.A. is "waiting" for has already been provided. Like a certain other poster, he dismisses such actual evidence out of hand and then declares his position has not been disproven, when, in fact, it has.
From his second or third post, he has been hypercritical and insulting to anyone who dares challenge his thesis. Naysayers. Horse trainers. Jerks. Meanwhile the critics are the ones who get called out for rudeness. The double standard is mind-numbing. I suppose because his insults are shrouded in long-windedness, nobody finds them as rude as, say, a simple declaration that Penta Water produces a fine burp but is otherwise bunk (even though such a statement insults the product and not the person making the claim).
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Why is the Creator's H20 NOT sufficent? Why does man always think he has a better idea: "if a little oxygen is ok, let's add more!"
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For anyone still following this scintillating debate, that evil heretic Randi has some more to say on the subject:
http://www.randi.org/jr/042905some.html
BTW, there's another product touted in Randi's column that could be a Godsend for some of the posters on this thread - "Gulli Go". I've been taking it for years. "Works great!"
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bump
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...and grind
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Raf
I think you meant "burp."
It's easy to confuse the two.
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OXYGENATED H2O
junk science in the marketplace
Unless you have gills, it's just an expensive burp!
Oxygenated water (also known as "superoxygenated" water) is offered at hundreds of Web sites. I highly recommend it if you happen to be a fish, but if you have lungs that breathe air, then forget about it! All water that has been exposed to the air is "oxygenated" to a small extent-- about 8 milligrams of O2 per liter of water at room temperature-- and this can be increased by pressurizing the water with oxygen gas; each additional atmosphere of oxygen pressure pumps an additional 40 mg into each liter. But what happens when you open the bottle? That's right, the extra oxygen goes right back out— but not immediately, so by drinking oxygenated water, you can still take in a bit more oxygen. But can any oxygen molecules that don't get burped back out actually find their way into your bloodstream through absorption in the stomach or intestine? I don't pretend to know, but I very much doubt it; the lungs are exquisitely adapted to this function, while your digestive system is specialized for absorbing other nutrients. Suppose, instead, that you simply breathe in an extra liter of air (much easier to do than drinking a liter of water!) It's an easy chemistry students' calculation to show that you will be inhaling about 146 mg of oxygen in this way. Not all of it will enter your bloodstream, but you can always take an extra breath; it's free!
These products seem to be pitched especially at the sports community, always on the lookout for that thin advantage that can make all the difference. There is no credible evidence that it does, as the following articles mention:
Superoxygenated water is latest sports scam
Oxygenated water: Fad and fiction in one expensive burp
Oxygen is good—even when it's not there; alternative medicine's claims for the efficacy of supplemental oxygen are less than convincing—especially when the supplement contains no oxygen
Harriet A. Hall - Skeptical Inquirer, Jan-Feb 2004
Oxygen is actually a cellular poison!
Yes, we need it to live, but only at the 21% atmospheric concentration provided by Nature. When life first appeared on Earth there was no oxygen in the atmosphere, but when green plants arrived they started "polluting" the air with O2, and those organisms that are exposed to the air had to develop some rather elaborate defenses against it.
Brief summary of what happened
Comprehensive review of oxygen toxicity.
But don't worry about the water; the amount of O2 in even "superoxygenated" waters is far too small to cause harm, other than perhaps to your wallet!
Some typical floggers of these worthless Wunderwassers:
A Canadian company uses special "diffusion technology"... "increasing the oxygen content of water by 700%". Wow!
This one goes the Canucks one better by actually shrinking the H2O molecules:
Emerald Greens Oxygenated AND Structured Water is a water that has smaller molecules of water so it can be penetrated quicker into the cells, and therefore hydrate your body faster and more efficiently.
(I use purple prose to highlight claims that I consider incorrect, misleading, or scientifically absurd, all of which apply to the foregoing quote from this thankfully-disappeared page.)
...but why not pile on even more hype?
As you might expect, the real hypemeisters don't stop at merely adding oxygen; consider, for example, the one widely-promoted product claims
colloidal minerials inserted and stablized in the Secrets of Hunza® and other ... Oxygenated Water have very large negative zata potentials on each colloidal particle. [We] can formulate a varity of oxygenated, herbal and sports beverages with very large, stabilized zeta potentials up to several hundred millivolts if necessary. [http://greatspirit.earth.com/hunza.html]
(It turns out that zeta potentials, something I always thought only a colloid chemist can love, are a fairly big thing in the "alternative" water field.)
One nameless outfit claims that their "Super Water" aqueous snake-oil provides
stabilized oxygen found in micro-encapsulated water clusters.
-- thus leading us back to the wide world of water cluster foolery.
Another manufacturer falsely tells us that
Just putting OXYGEN into water does NOTHING (unless you are a fish)... the molecules must first be extended USING A PATENTED METHOD OF EXPANSION AND CONTRACTION OF THE WATER MOLECULES SEVERAL TIMES/MINUTE TO CONSUME OXYGEN, WHILE TAKING ON DONOR ELECTRONS! Our patented method EXPANDS TODAY'S WATER MOLECULES... so they can take on more donor electrons! It's logical that most products are activated by the ELECTRONS in WATER [link]
and sells a bogus "water machine" that purports to enlarge the water molecules so they can accommodate these extra electrons.
Super-oxygenation baloney
It's not enough to simply dissolve more oxygen in the water; several outfits make ridiculous claims that they have found a way to chemically bond O2 to H2O, producing a "super oxygenated" water that contains 240,000 ppm of instead of the measly 100 ppm that the other pikers flog. Have any of you other chemists ever heard of H-O-O-O-H ? A "per-peroxide"? This bunch of hucksters say
a team of scientists and professionals worked for eight years to develop a completely unique and proprietary method of bonding oxygen to water molecules. Where others dissolve oxygen into a bottle, our unique product provides a stable and molecularly bonded source of oxygen. ...Tests have shown that stabilized oxygen with a high pH, will have the pH reduced to near the pH of the water into which it is dosed. ...The long-held belief that stabilized oxygen must be of a high alkalinity (pH) in order to work is a wrong assumption. Contrary to this, a neutral pH of the stabilized oxygen is desirable as the release of the oxygen in the gastric fluid is slowed down allowing the body to absorb and utilize the valuable oxygen ions.
What's that again? That sounds like the stuff I used to read when marking exam papers! Maybe if those jocks who used to populate the back rows of my Chemistry classes had paid more attention, they would be less likely to be taken in by garbage like this!
Oxygenated water is sometimes sold under the ridiculous name of "Vitamin O"; a former RoseCreek page flogs "Electrically activated Vitamin O" . A recent FTC action has fined this company for false advertising, but the wonders of this snake-oil are still being promoted by an individual who claims to have carried out clinical trials, although I have been unable to find any evidence of them, or of the author's standing in the scientific community. For another opinion on "Vitamin O" and of this study, see this Skeptical Inquirer article.
Another promoter claims to have a process that
alters the bond between the oxygen and hydrogen atoms that make up the water molecule and allows for release of oxygen by means of a catalytic reaction when Biocatalyst comes in contact with cell walls. Water molecules exist at a higher energy state than either hydrogen molecules or oxygen molecules. In nature, molecules tend to combine or split in order to reach a lower energy level.
There is, of course, no reason to take this crackpot chemistry seriously!
Not just for drinking
"Electrically engineered eloptic energized stabilized oxygenated water" (sounds impressive!) is described as
…an industrial-strength, multi-purpose cleanser that will meet all your personal care and household needs. This God-given, concentrated formula is made from all natural ingredients that will clean, degrease and deodorize anything, from your glass and mirrors, carpet and upholstery and even heavy cleaning such as grease traps and oil spots on the concrete garage floor to your baby’s bottom. [link]
Well, I don't think I would want to try something strong enough to remove grease from the garage floor on my bottom, which is admittedly far less soft and supple than that of a baby! Among the ingredients are "ash of dedecyl solution (foaming agent), sea grass (for color) and the anointing of God."
Another company offers a "Coherent Water Resonator" that purports to oxygenate ponds by what I can only characterize as magical crackpot chemistry:
"it breaks the loose-linked Hydroxyl Ion Bond, which releases the bound-up Oxygen and then allows the water to absorb Oxygen naturally from the atmosphere to satisfy it’s need. "
"Nobody has Enough Hydrogen or 02, Not on this Planet"
This is one of many lies offered up by an outfit that flogs a worthless "oxygen-plus" supplement to the scientifically challenged at $22 per bottle.
The air we breathe formerly contained 50 percent oxygen. But today, we only have about 20 percent in our air and there is even less in large cities. The medical profession has confirmed that most viruses, parasites, bacteria, fungus and pathogens are anaerobic—they CANNOT live in oxygen. If we are not getting enough oxygen, our bodies become fertile breeding grounds for disease.
The "50% oxygen" is of course pure fiction. And yes, many bacteria are anaerobic, but few viruses, parasites and fungi are. And these hucksters fail to mention that O2 is a cellular poison in the wrong locations and the source of those nasty free radicals that are supposed to accelerate aging. But if oxygen supplements can hook the suckers, so can hydrogen, so the fibbing continues:
The purpose of hydrogen is to give structure to the body. What do you get when you bubble hydrogen through vegetable oil? You get margarine! Now, imagine hydrogen without oxygen. Your cells could become like margarine. [link]
You may remember that it is the smallest Critical Element and is capable of passing through the cell wall. In order for our cells to function they must communicate with each other through electrons but electrons can not move in the body without hydrogen. Cells must have oxygen but oxygen does not work without hydrogen. Cells cannot multiply or grow without hydrogen. The very fabric of our being, our DNA, is held together by Hydrogen bonds. Hydrogen is literally the fuel of life. [link]
When we are born we have plenty of Hydrogen but as we age our Hydrogen pool becomes depleted. When this occurs, free radicals steel it from essential areas thus accelerating aging and disease. [link]
...and deuterium too!
In my humble opinion, there are few health-quackery Web sites that contain a higher proportion of false and deceptive statements than those promoting this classic snake-oil:
[Our product] has the unique ability to disassociate the water molecule into nascent hydrogen and nascent oxygen. This water "splitting" technology enables the release of hydrogen and oxygen gases simultaneously in a chain reaction that involves one five-hundred thousandths of the available moisture at one time. Water "splitting" is achieved by means of shifting and weakening the bonding electrons (ionic transfers) of the water molecule towards oxygen and away from hydrogen. [it] allows the bonds in the electron distribution to be unsymmetrical (polar). [http://www.nuscience.com/cellfood.htm]
Anyone who has taken even an elementary chemistry course will recognize this as errant nonsense. There are the usual unsubstantiated and ridiculous health claims ("aids clear thinking", helps to reduce and/or eliminates menopausal hot flashes and night sweats"). The product itself is described as a
"super energized colloidal mineral concentrate. ... Di-base, Di-pole Deuterium Sulfate provides an incredible oxygen source and delivery system to the body at the cellular level."
Deuterium sulfate? Deuterium is the isotope H2 (often given the symbol D) which makes up about 1 out of 10,000 of the hydrogen atoms found in nature. Although extensive research has shown that organisms are unable to survive on heavy water (D2O), the same sites go on about its benefits, spinning a tale about an inventor/con-artist (take your pick!) Everett M. Storey and a ficticious Deuterium Freedom Act purportedly passed by the U.S. 99th Congress that confirms deuterium's ability to "speed up the digestive process". However, the extensive list of chemicals in CellFood does not mention deuterium, although the list does include such beneficial elements as actinium, gadolinium, neon, technetium (!) and xenon. Another sad case of selling snake-oil to the suckers.
Stable fables: oxidants are actually good for you!
A huge part of the alternative-health-quackery industry is devoted to supplying those free-radical fighters known as antioxidants (Whose benefits as dietary supplements are entirely unproven— but that's another subject.) But pseudoscience knows no bounds and can be twisted in any direction, so here's an Idaho company (where else?) that flogs a nostrum they call stabilized oxygen. A thankfully-now-disappeared Web site goes on at great length about the importance of protecting our cells from oxygen deprivation:
Oxygen plays another important role in the body acting as a guardian and protector against unfriendly bacteria and disease organisms. One of oxygen's major functions is disintegration. Rubble, garbage, toxins, refuse, debris, and anything useless are destroyed by oxygen and carried out of the system. Just as a clean house holds little interest to passing flies, likewise, an oxygen rich body is a difficult fortress to assail.
... all errant nonsense, of course! Anyway, they go on about how their product helps you to enjoy
the tremendous bene fits of oxygen to the body other than through the breathing process. Oxygen is very difficult to stabilize and until a recent scientific breakthrough, oxygen has not been stabilized in a beneficial non-toxic form.
This flapdoodle overlooks the fact that oxygen is not present in the blood as O2, but is complexed to hemoglobin which controls the amount of oxygen delivered to cells through an exquisitely-evolved feedback mechanism. What these hucksters mean by "stabilizing" the oxygen is not entirely clear. We are told that
Stabilized oxygen is an oxide of chlorides compound stabilized with the richest known source of nascent oxygen with several atoms per molecule.
Whatever they mean by "oxide of chlorides compound" could be any number of substances from chlorine dioxide (ClO2) to perchloric acid (HClO4). The first is a poison and the second is explosive, so I presume they have come up with something in between. The term "nascent oxgyen" (see below) usually means free oxygen atoms as opposed to the stable molecule O2 which make up 20% of the air we breathe. But it gets more complicated:
[This product] is a safe, non toxic, stabilized liquid concentrate of electrolytes of oxygen, which are made available to your body, in molecular form, when ingested. ... The genius of it is the formulating of the two most abundant and important electrolytes of body fluid, sodium and chlorine, to act as the oxygen carriers. The molecular oxygen is released through the digestive process, and is absorbed into the bloodstream. ... In an ordinary glass of tap water there is on the average, 7-12 ppm of oxygen molecules. In Stabilized Oxygen the amount of available oxygen increased to about 12,000 ppm or 1,000 times.
Wow! This appears to be a good description of sodium hypochlorite NaOCl, otherwise known as laundry bleach. Thanks, but I think I'll pass on this one!
"Nascent" oxygen dietary supplement nonsense
The ordinary oxygen that we breathe is really the molecule"dioxygen", O2. "Nascent" oxygen (a term not used much by contemporary chemists) refers to plain oxygen atoms. These species normally have only a transient existence before they react with themselves (to produce O2), with water to produce hydrogen peroxide H2O2 (a cellular poison), or with just about any carbon-containing substance around them— such as your body! Any claims that this stuff can posssibly be good for you or that it can somehow "stabilized" are plain lies. Also, any agent capable of generating atomic oxygen (as chemists call it) would do even more damage to the body, so I think claims that any dietary supplements can even produce it are untrue.
None of this appears to stop various outfits from hawking oxygenated snake oils such as the one making claims that their product
is unique in its ability to create nascent (meaning newly-born) oxygen. In biochemical terms 'nascent' oxygen refers to the newly born singlet oxygen (O-) that has not yet entered the biochemical reaction. Free radicals (which many biochemists believe are a primary cause of aging and degenerative disease) are positively charged ions of oxygen (O+). Since nascent oxygen molecules are negatively charged, they actually seek out and attract these dangerous free radicals, combining with them to form simple pure stabilized oxygen (O2).
Well, ionized atomic oxygen (O– or O+) does exist in the upper atomosphere, but it would be instant death to any body tissues. And far from being a free radical fighter, any form of the "singlet" oxygen they refer to is either itself a free radical or capable of producing them when it reacts with water or virtually any other cellular component. If you feel comfortable consuming a product from an outfit that exhibits this level of chemical incompetence, be my guest!
Of course they don't stop there, but go on to evoke even weirder pseudoscience, claiming that the product
will tend to normalize the body's acid-base balance by delivering its 78 essential minerals as enzymatic cofactors— assisting critical enymatic reactions to proceed optimally.
... which is biochemical hokum, and
Scientists Simeonton, Likhovsky and Bovis estimated that the average human body radiates a life force frequency of 6,500 angstroms— with cancer patients radiating at 1,875 angstroms (the same measurement as for refined white bread). Just one drop of [the product's] powerful 'electromagnetic equation' in 6-8 ounces of water ema- nates 77,000 units of radiant life energy— bringing a dramatic increase in life force to every cell of the body.
... pure nonsensical fantasy.
But if this is not enough, check out this Seven Sided Oxygenated Water "that penetrates into dehydrated structures of the body and breaks apart the ionic bonds of substance or structure that are atypical to the bodies normal function." This site is a fount of misinformation (for example, that the atmospheric concentration of oxygen has been rapidly decreasing over the last millenium, and that this, and anaerobic conditions in general, promote cancer.) They make the highly dubious claim that their bottled water contains 400-600 ppm of oxygen. And of course it protects the body from infection, helps reduce pain levels, and enhances carbohydrate metabolism, etc. etc.
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In his study, "Relationship of Water to the Risk of Dying, Dr. Sauer chronicled the relationship of Total Dissolved Solids to heart disease, cancer and other chronic diseases (Total Dissolved Solids-or TDS, is the term for all the elements present in any water supply). It had been thought for centuries that the European mineral waters so very high TDS were beneficial to health. But Dr. Sauer’s study found that TDS increases in a water supply, so does the number of chronic diseases in the population using that supply".
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David Anderson
For those with the patience to have waded through all the crap to get to this point, there is a listing of the Lymphatics of the Abdomen, posted by the U. of Michigan Gross Anatomy Department, at http://www.med.umich.edu/lrc/coursepages/M...ph_abdomen.html
that you might find interesting.
Seems that in the abdomonal cavity alone there are some 45 different kinds of structures in the lymph system, of which 39 are different kinds of lymph nodes. Althgether there are some 700-800 individual lymph nodes- in the abdomonal cavity alone.
The chart gives where the inflow comes from (afferents from) and where the outflow goes (Efferents to), the regions drained and where all these lymph nodes are located. It's quite a different picture than the simplistic notion that the water we drink merely gets dumped into the blood stream through the thoracic duct after being absorbed in the small intestine.
And you can bet that each of the 700-800 lymph nodes needs oxygen to do it's job of breaking down toxins and the trash from cell metabolism and building lymphocytes so they can do their job throughout the body. And the more oxygen in the water you drink, the better these 700-800 lymph nodes in the abdomonal cavity are going to function.
Dr. Philip James, mentioned early on in this thread, has published that the autoimmune system works best when the oxygen partial pressure is 50-80 mm Hg, and that hemoglobin can generate a partial pressure no greater than 39 mm Hg (and less than that as we age or get sick).
So to get the oxygen partial pressure up to where the immune system works best, one needs to either get into a hyperbaric chamber or drink oxygen saturated water- which in actuality is merely very low grade hyperbaric therapy that anyone can do without ill effects. (ie. you drink water at atmospheric pressure but it is saturated with oxygen when you drink it instead of holding only a small fraction of what it can hold- or none at all as in the case of coffee, softdrinks, and various juices that are heated before being bottled). It won't quite get the rest of the bodies water to 50 mm Hg once it is fully diluted after drinking, but it can get close to that, and stay there for an hour or so, if one drinks a sixteen ounce glass of 70 ppm oxygen contained water.
The hecklers, nay-sayers, and jerks need not reply- but probably will anyway simply because it's their nature! (like a sow that was washed returns to it's wallowing in the mud and the dog returns to it's vommit- it's their nature.)
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"Hecklers, naysayers and jerks need not reply."
Since you're not namecalling, I'll reply.
Charlatans, pseudo-scientists, and gullible folks need not post any further.
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Steve!
David, what about my post several pages ago about the benefits of drinking your own urine?
Have you tested that out yet?
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Belle
Geeze, let the d@mn thread die already!
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