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We used to call my niece "duck butt" because her diaper and the way she walked looked kinda like a duck. Maybe in Howie's case someone dropped the butt part.

Oh, they were even making squirrel tacos . . . supposedly very good . . .

Yep.. they are planning grey squirrel genocide.. some say Benjamin Franklin introduced the grey squirrel to Britain.. others say they were imported in the Victorian era to "amuse" the aristocracy.. then the yankee squirrels did what yankee squirrels do.. reproduce like a plague.. warning: the article is silly, but factually correct. Best I can tell anyway.. http://www.scarysquirrel.org/vacation/ukcull/index.html I also understand that the greys carry a form of "squirrel pox" that the red squirrels cannot develop immunity to..

I dunno. I have had three or so said "prophecies".. all were personal dreams, pre twi days.. two of them have occured.. and when they played out, it was like watching a movie unfold having pre-read the script.. the last one, hasn't happened. I keep looking.. I'd repeat it here, if anyone thinks they might have a clue..

I was introduced to a number of rankings for Christians over the years. The ones that stand out most in my mind are: Nominal, Believers, Disciples. Today I read about another: Notional. As defined, a "notional" Christian is one who holds (even passionately) to notions, doctrines, and propositions about Christ (or Christianity in general) yet bear no fruit. Sound like any organization you know?

No.

Howard The Duck AND

Heh.. no, I figured that out the moment I walked out of mr. he whose claim to fame is not eating bread and vegetables together limb coordinator's office. It's been a few years.. I usually don't use these kind of words.. but he was (probably still is) a friggin moron.. As leadership, and as it goes for human beings in general, he was probably about as spiritually and intellectually inept as they had to offer.. in one brief moment, I realized we were following fruitcakes..

what I was referring to didn't involve any other person.. happened before twi days. I can't think of a single twi induced "prophecy" that ever really panned out.. this suggests to at least me personally.. nothing of any real spiritual significance was generated by the "founder" of twi or those at the root to begin with.. just a lot of vain boasting and such..

And. . . they are surely not anything remotely close to Christians IMO. I told you they claimed to be Christian Bolsh. . . I may have spoken too hastily. It was in response to your questioning the use of scripture in a thread about TWI. I used it to point out they actually do the opposite of what they claim to follow, but you have a valid point. . . do they claim to be Christian? I always called myself a Christian in TWI. Just not a carnal Christian like those sneaking in the backdoor, but not sitting in the living room. I didn't often hear the term used in a derogatory manner, but the "others" who claimed to be Christian. . . they were maligned. Looking back, I did hear a few rants about the term. . . I think it was more because it was associated with the others who are called Christian. . .the dreaded and evil trinitarians. The one's it was acceptable to mock with abandon. Whatever they call themselves. . . . . TWI does claim an odd form of sola scriptura as their way.

vpw was dead for most of my existance, it certainly could have evolved from "we're a better version than them" to "we're nothing like them"

It was on PBS yesterday, kinda like the European invasion of the Americas, bringing disease, and attacking the locals. Some British folk see some metaphor or something with the grays being boisterous and gluttonous like Americans, and the reds being sophisticated and dainty or something. The reds are okay to me, but our grays are just fine I think. And what's with calling HA a duck?

Another Way myth is laid to rest. HERE And an added twist of irony: If you want to hunt squirrels as a food source, why choose the tiny red squirrel? Wouldn't it make more sense to take the Greys or, even larger, Fox Squirrels?

gawd forbid we have any "homo" pre-disposition in squirrels.. yep.. makes sense.. if one can't tolerate a "homo" pet.. willing to "blow away" rover for.. (self censored description of vile acts) surely we can't condone the same in squirrels..

I mean.. isn't the whole "exercise" rather self defeating? Yep.. rid the woods of Squirrel *menace* to merely make room for more Squirrels? And remember, mr. duck. When you look over your shoulder, or in the rear view mirror, I am the one you missed..

"Get thee behind me, spidey butt!!"

The spirituality of the way woods was an extension of the "Wierwille myth"...the snow on the gas pumps, etcetera... What it actually was...was a small area of woods in the middle of flat corn country...farmers would always leave a small area of woods alone for whatever reason...I've been in many woods in my time and there was nothing exceptional about this place...spiritually or otherwise. I thought that the campus of the University of Miami was "spiritual" when I walked around it all night doing LSD... ...so what is it boys and girls?...If I was a younger man, I would take a flame thrower to that place...

I never recalled anyone in TWI downgrading the term Christian. We just never used the term alot, even though I considered myself to be one. Our thing was Believer, Family and or Household. If you were a believer you were part of the Family....Household on the other hand meant something totally different. As far as I can see in the bible, there is no "household" You get born again and you are in the Family of God. They never said so called Christians weren't in the Family, to my knowledge, but you had to be in TWI and "walking the Word" to be in the household. And later I think it turned into, if you were Corps you were in the household. This is what my memory recollects..It was a long time ago since I was in TWI.....I could be wrong....

Thank you, Kimberly, it's just our lives and our new normal and like so many things we adapt to it, but your thoughtfulness is appreciated. For me, I struggle with my choices and re-think things that can't be changed no matter how much I re-think; it's futile mostly. I find myself most thankful for amazing children who don't also grieve the loss of a proper place where daddy is buried, who don't lament about 'why can't we move to Ohio to be closer to daddy' or any of that. They are women of strength and understanding and good, for which I'm thankful. I'm ok with having to contact someone in a TWI office if we did choose to return, simply because I do understand it is a business, a property not my own and therefore I have to extend them the courtesy. It's a part of my choice to have his remains buried there. For now, it's what we've got but we've also got a "daddy tree", a little blue spruce planted and happily growing in memory of a good husband and father. :)

Groucho, my thoughts exactly. I read the posts and thought what do they have to hide? Who are these people? Then I realized it is all about the same ole control thing. Shellon, honey, my heart was torn reading your posts.

or a sore for sight eyes..

What is the purpose of having linder, his clone and the white vans? Really.. what is left on grounds that is even worth protecting? Normally, remote farmland in Ohio does not warrant this level of care. what's left.. the fountain? Are they afraid of aged hippie types making odd, unusual pilgrimages to the "holy" woods? maybe they are afraid of someone parking a non-authorized wowmobile in one of the parking lots, and leaking half a quart of oil or transmission fluid. perhaps they have tons of hoarded gold bullion on grounds.. maybe stockpiles of firearms, ammunition, long term food store..to protect. That would at least make sense. But I tend to think more that having some kind of security force present helps foster their illusion that they are anything but a second or third rate, insignificant pathetic little club.. Two local country clubs here.. who have more acreage, which is far more valuable than acreage in rural ohio, have no security force that I have ever seen. I've walked right across the golf course.. no white vans, no goons trying to run me off.. no calls to the sheriff or police.. I suppose one could ask linder. What possible reason do they want to secure something that resembles a gold plated turd, more than a treasure? he'd probably answer.. "it's a living.."

Frank, it is spelled "Lutheran".

Pfal"it was a disgrace for me to ever been in this service."Hey wait vper said he never preached a negative then proceeded to mouth quite a few. One time a tcs kid got married,to a luthern kid,it was a luthern service,I was not personally there wife was, she told this to me.The preacher had the girl deny her service to the way!Then become a luthern! Couple things went on in my mind when I heard it,One ida either rolled on the floor laughing saying,hey tc aint ya gonna say somthing?Or I would have jumped up and told the minister to go f hisself. Since I was not there one will never know,but the tc and his wife had to eat shi@ that day.How do ya raise a kid then have em do that?I lost all respect to the tc and his wife,at least I would have said somthing!

Know that Yahweh your God is God, the faithful God who keeps His gracious covenant loyalty for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commands. But He directly pays back and destroys those who hate Him. He will not hesitate to directly pay back the one who hates Him. Deuteronomy 7: 9,10 Well, if God is like that towards men who hate him, how bad is it going to be for one who cannot repent? Does it really stand to reason that because God is love, He does not hate things? The bible says He hates things and that is just as true as that He is love. Is it really wrong to hate evil? How does that make Him any LESS loving? It doesn't . . . God's love is not tolerance for anything and everything. . . and everyone including Satan. . . not even close. God is love and God is just, Holy, Righteous, and promises to avenge evil. . . no?

Actually, the plan is to use the firehoses. I'm sure they still have plenty of kids to give up.

I think.. what the "swamp" wishes to reclaim.. good friggin luck.. it wasn't even a club to begin with.. it just .. pretended.. if it had anything to offer.. well.. you are going to have to cross a few lines..

I did not think this would be necessary to say in the doctrinal section, but I would greatly appreciate NO flippant remarks. This is why I posted this question here and not in the Open forum. This question is really bugging me, I know we have some great minds on GS, who are very thoughtful and know God's Word, and it's disappointing to get blessed to see somebody took the time to respond only to find a remark that makes it sound like I'm a dope for reaching for an answer in a section that is supposed to be for doctrinal issues. Please have some respect. I'm asking this question seriously. Wheather or not somebody else believes in God is their personal thing and not what this question is about. cman: I thought in Jerimiah, that verse is talking about mans inability to change without God. And I know the lion and the lamb thing, but that doesn't mean to me that satan is included in that. The Word suggests just the opposite. That he is damned. Oh gee, I don't know. This is frustrating me! :)

"President of Greasespot?".. http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=13147815 Is this a joke? Paw.. don't tell me you sold us down the river..

Hey Linder this what I think of your spiritual home "#@@&&&" Seems like every roa is was at I got sick,maybe the grounds are cursed. certainly it was never "holy ground". You people sucked the life,money,and aspirations of thousands. Spiritual homed?It is more likely hell on earth. If there is one place I never want to see again it would be that cornfield cult.

I hope so.. maybe I'm just seeing things..

I think I only had two (maybe 3) cars during my sojourns to herr holy ground.. one was a 1972 Chevy Brookwood station wagon.. no it did not leak oil, transmission fluid, etc.. but it was a friggin rust bucket.. then there was the 1982 escort hatchback.. It leaked oil like a sieve.. this vehicle was designed by devils, for sure.. it never made it on grounds.. that I can remember.. kinda surreal, eh? :) yeah.. nothing going on now.. all is quiet.. Yep.. seems they are sitting back, just waiting for all the goings on in the USA to just kinda go away.. why they want to bother Belgium.. now that's beyond me. Reminds me of an old old B movie.. I'll have to find the name..

I still want to know more about this miraculously cut grass.. is it anything like the miraculously clean parking lots? You know..have executive type assigned it's oversight.. an "all nine all da time" kinda fella.. *spiritual* enough to catch the deluge of oil and transmission fluid from wowmobiles, *ahem* waydisciplemobiles, into designated bins, before said contamination even hits the pavement..

Miraculously cut grass.. http://www.allmusicals.com/lyrics/camelot/finaleultimocamelotreprise.htm

for that matter.. I wonder how linder feels about that..

I really think.. of two individuals, to be on some kind of board, assigned arbitrary power over other people's lives.. in this situation, one could not name a worse choice. I would go as far to say that it is frightening. there are way too many unresolved issues.. unanswered questions.

The bad thing about all of this.. da way made both of them. They could have EASILY defused the situation. Just let mac wander in the woods once a year or something.. let him do whatever he wanted.. he wouldn't give them a REASON to run him off grounds.. and practically nobody would have known. He would come, do his thing.. quietly leave and that would be the end of it.. no "compromise" with da "adversary" I guess..

I dunno about all of this.. while I tread lightly regarding individuals here who have loved ones interred on way grounds.. I really really think.. mac was an opportunist.. I think he wanted back in the organization, at whatever capacity possible. Including trespass "rights". Does this make sense? Or am I seeing something really off base here? Maybe he was trying to stage a coup of sorts. Look at one of the other players involved, about the same time period.. jp. He brought accusations of neglect, indifference and harshness of the then way in regards to.. his ma. While I have compassion in regards to Mrs. Wierwille.. Would he possibly use the heart-tugging situation to his advantage? Its just a thought. Is there any coincidence here that these two players somehow seem to converge on a Mississippi farm? And the new tactic- from what I perceive.. if you can't join them, (try to) beat them. They have a new wierwille to develop, who has a strikingly familiar name (assigned to him by pa) for the twenty-first century.. they resurrect the old program, and merely copy the goals, the objectives, the methods.. Honestly, in my opinion, people have been "played" here..

The ROA was discontinued by LCM. He was upset by all the "screwing around" (literally) going on at the Rock by some teenagers. (For exmple: Corp week was being called "Score week"). I think he axed it because some kids were "making out" better than him.

This last sunday we had my grandfather's funeral. I'm bound to be thankful for him for the rest of my life. I learned great things from him and I have no doubt that I would be a better man if I could only have spent more time with him. When we were in momentous and had been exposed to the false prophet movement I read him one of the prophecies that were given to my wife and I. With peace and confidence he said "Jeff, you've gotta watch out for prophecies, they don't all come from God." After considering the matter I confronted the one who was in charge in our little group about momentous doctrine and it led to us leaving momentus fellowship. The group that I was with never even said thak you, (spiritual dishonesty) and my ex-wife can still be mad till today when the heart for the scripture that I first learned from my grandfather is rememberred by me as often having a part in correcting the spiritually dishonest man that I'm refering to. Many times I brought up some doctrine I believed and grandpa looked at the Word and simply said, "Jeff, that's not what it says." He did it with love and authority and in truth was the only man living that I think of and can then comprehend the fear of the Lord. I'm gonna mis him a lot. (sob)

Yep. Somehow I knew this thread would end up leading into a discussion on the Horny of Plenty.

Thank you very much Dot. It has been over a year now and I still think of him often.....

Thanks NKA, but no message in the PM.

Whatever.

You Groucho, like most of the folks here, just don't get it. Your statement, 'my dog took a crap on the lawn', does not make 'crap on the lawn' a fact.

Rocky, do mean he posted something here at GSC? If anyone has an address or phone number, if you would be so kind, contact me via the PM service or email. Thanks, Jim.

The heart's cry of the common man is for help. Man's help truly has to come from the Lord. We must learn to go to God's Word, the fountainhead of all truth, for that help. WM 07-08/85 So Mike, the period concluding this paragraph is the final period?

Thank you both! This is my first holiday season without my grandpa, but I'm certain that for my mom and his other children that it is much harder on them. And as far as my laugh goes, people have told me at times that it is similar to my mom's laugh, often times I hear that right along with an exhortation to laugh a little quieter. If I could at all be truly a legacy for any of my grandparents and their many good points I would be content with this life I think.

Dororthy Owens -- Wasnt she the 'etiquette' lady of TWI?

Mark 11:22,23: ------------ And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I saith unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. ------------- Here is something the 'biblical researchers' (are there any left?) should reconsider. What is it that is being emphasized in the above verse, is it believing or is it speaking? The way I read it, believing is only mentioned once in that verse but speaking is mentioned three times. So according to God's Word, which would you say is greater - someone doing the believing, or someone doing the speaking? I came to the conclusion the reason the law of believing does not work for some (the reason there is no law of believing for them) is because that is what they say about it. They say it often and have said it a lot. Therefore they will receive whatever they presently have to say about it, and true to form they also have whatsoever they have said. I recall the emphasis of the teaching in TWI was mostly on the believer having to 'believe' for something to get results, but not much (if anything) was it ever shown or taught to the belever the emphasis is not on what one believes - positive or negative, but rather on what they confess - what they have to say about it. There is the "SOURCE" for the law of believing. YOU will have whatsoever you say. But then I imagine, someone who was probably above you in TWI had something entirely different they wanted to say about it too - didn't they?