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Glad you get this, Mike. Because, although you might think that VPW might have confessed his sins, he never changed his ways but continued raping women for years. As also did his protege, LCM. Prov 20:11 - Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right. (How much more a supposed minister of religion??????? )

Another for Mike:

I concur. In the “VP and Me” book and teachings in the Corpse which was presented to VP at the ceremonies for LCM becoming president, Craig clearly shares that VP instructed him to “loosen up” in that area or he will never see a great impact of his ministry or some similar nonsense. Now I am not accusing current BOD as acting like that. They are just a paint crew with whitewash backordered for years.

From the "Absent Christ" thread: Thinking on this, and about Eli not reproving and stopping his sons from sleeping with the women at the entrance to the temple, I find myself thinking that VPW not only did not reprove LCM in his wandering habits - he actively encouraged it. Eli was a bad priest, a bad minister. He only weakly told his sons not to mess about with the women. I find myself wondering if he too had indulged in his younger days, basically taught his sons by his example, and therefore felt he couldn't reprove them. (Of course, I might be libelling in saying this, but he's hardly going to sue me.) It's not a sin that God laid at his door in this instance; who knows what went beforehand that isn't recorded? One doesn't get to be a bad priest in one incident. In later centuries, Jesus said this: (Matt 23:15) “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. Does that just refer to pedantry over the law? Or to other sins as well? - some of which are listed in Mt 23.

Due to recent overt and covert maneuverings on certain threads I feel the need to make this announcement to all Grease Spotters: My preferred style of communication in cyberspace is being upfront and direct. I’m not a big fan of cold war tactics that pussyfoot around big ideological differences. I’m not mentioning any names here, but if the hand fits in the glove, then wear it…if it doesn’t fit - you must…uhhh…quit trying it on for size some Grease Spotters have used the covert route of unsolicited private messages to me to continue a conversation from a thread about points they disagreed with me on. I will just redirect them back to the thread – nice try – but no thanks. I already get enough spam in my email accounts. As it is, I often wonder about other backchannels some folks use whether it’s conspiring with other wierwille/PFAL fans through private messaging or being in direct communication with the Mothership (I know who you are! Fox and Scully told me) That’s all for now

Note the chorus for the above is NOT: Turn your eyes upon Wierwille Look full at his PFAL And the things of earth will grow strangely dim In the light of its gloating and lies

For Mike (if he's still paying attention):

We're lucky to be okay here, no property damage, no flooding in our neighborhood and we have power. Beyond grateful, but it's totally shocking and sad to see what's happened in our state.

The following scholars are HISTORIANS specializing in early Christianity, Second Temple Judaism, and/or the Ancient Near East. This is a small sampling. Though they publish very serious, dense scholarly works, they also publish trade books that are accessible to non-scholars. They are all real Doctors, and they all have faith in some kind of Judeo-Christian tradition, except Ehrman, who is agnostic-atheist. I'd recommend starting with Ehrman. His writing style is extremely lucid and accessible. Bart D. Ehrman Elaine Pagels James D. Tabor Paula Fredikson John Dominic Crossan And if you are interested in finding meaning across other traditions and texts, like the Epic of Gilgamesh, check out Joseph Campbell's The Power of Myth - Christ Jesus is included in his survey. **Ehrman, Pagels and Tabor were conservative, fundamentalist evangelicals in their youth.

IMO the inescapable truth throughout T bones entire post here is ask Jesus Christ for help. He is not a transformer suit made to amplify your appendages. He is not a non entity. He is absent in person but not in spirit. He is right now seated at the right hand of God ever ready to make intercession for you. ask Jesus Christ for help this is an ongoing acknowledgment that you made him lord in your life. This activates the intercessor. This helps the self ego not inflate to the point you set him aside and execute your own will.

I wish I had enough sense to stay on the sidelines...

So glorious to witness a Mike War and not be IN the damned thing. Some passing thoughts, most if not all of which I have already expressed elsewhere. 1. The Bible is not the Word of God. The Bible is not "a" book. It's a collection of writings. As such, it lacks the cohesion and self-awareness to call itself "The Word of God." It never makes the claim. It's not even an "it"; it is a "they." Every time the Bible mentions the Word of God, it is quite clearly not referring to itself. 2. PFAL can only be "God-breathed" if PFAL is wrong about what "God-breathed" means. 3. Declaring that something has "stood the test of time," whether that thing is PFAL or the Bible, is a joke. It's only stood the test of time because "you" ignore that it has not. The more closely you look at the Bible, the more it falls apart as science, history, morality, etc. 4. There really IS a hidden message in PFAL, one I've raised numerous times. It's not that PFAL is God-breathed. It's that Wierwille concocted his entire scheme AFTER concluding that the Bible was all bunk. He no longer believed the words Holy or Bible on the cover. It was all a grift from there on out. I tell you, the more I look at his life, the more that makes total sense. :)