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Ummm no. “We” were not slow learners of PFAL. That’s you. By your own testimony. And amazingly I can look at it objectively now too. Unlike you. You have gone from fundamentalist elitist a hole to inventing your own whole new reality. With new words like anti-idol. You did a great job of abstracting your idol into a concept. Instead of “VPW the man” it’s “The Teachers Revelation”. I mean who really cares whether a person idolizes President Nelson of the Mormon cult or idolize his doctrine where your skin color affects the priesthood. Idiot guy with idiot ideas. That’s a cult.

You have the wrong audience, which I attribute to PFLAP causing a comprehensional effect that loops into hyper-determinalisasm. Serious about the wrong audience because many here mastered pflap and all things wierwille long ago, realised most of it isn't Biblically accurate, is quite remedial, and is in no way Biblical research...its stolen goods...

some threads are like a spectator sport

He has to be. I mean his earthly ministry was only a year long or three years depending on the viewpoint. That certainly wasn’t a sufficient amount of time to really master PFAL. I mean he could have just had a cursory understanding of it causing him to “snap” towards love of his earthly ministry. That would later cause him to “snap” towards hate. I mean if only our Lord and Savior had enough time on earth to truly digest the material like Mike has, maybe we would be in a much better place.

Multiple choice on what’s the deal with wierwille’s left hand: A. In the weird world of tit-for-tat, since wierwille couldn’t heal that India guy’s lame arm, India guy broke wierwille’s left hand B. Practicing pocket pool during the photo shoot C. Hand signal code: I’m pinching a loaf at this very moment D. Classic right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing illustration: pseudo-Christian cult-leader has Bible in right hand while holding a Roofie in the left hand. E. Trying to hide the fact that he often consults the pendant (note chain across vest) F. Giving a subliminal message that his ovaries hurt G. All of the above

"pride goeth" suddenly took on new meaning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Crap

Actually the advice was different depending on when you took the class. VP said to read the epistles for 3 months. I’ll get back to that. Class coordinators had you read the collaterals. For example, there were exams on Adv class entry from collaterals at one time. Prove you knew the collateral material to be able to take Adv class. Now back to VP. So the instructions to only read epistles definitely are directing the new graduate away from any teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ. You see evidence of an elitist attitude developing by followers obeying this instruction. Ultra dispensationalism would take this approach hyper focusing on only one time period of scripture. Step by step instructions to build fundamentalist elitist a holes who witness to their friends to get them to “take the class”. The Idol Makers

Epistles, the bible, the collaterals...I don't recall the exact wording. The essence is the same. But, suppose for a minute that he said to read the epistles for 3 months. Why, then, is there now such a push to get back to the collaterals? Bingo! We have a winner.

Whatever. Epistles. Collaterals. You miss the point. The class is the hook. That's the hope. That's the bet with Harry's money. Get them committed after only 36 grueling hours so they will only read what vpw tells them to read - and nothing else... for three months! The tithing starts at the very next meeting. That's the goal.

Got that from my wife We frequently send stuff like that back and forth to each other. After 46 years of marriage, it’s come to this…a new phase in life…a cyber-phase

. . . Momma said alligators are ornery because they have all those teeth and no toothbrush

And so, the long journey out of darkness begins.

"You cannot go beyond what you are taught" is a command. Love = obedience. It's transactional, conditional, and you need to keep putting quarters in the machine.

Yet another take on empathy Emotion researchers generally define empathy as the ability to sense other people's emotions, coupled with the ability to imagine what someone else might be thinking or feeling. My disappointment with wierwille / PFAL / TWI is not the same as someone who still defends wierwille / PFAL / TWI by making excuses for it all and wants to particularize what’s the baby and what’s the dirty bath water. Their disappointment seems to be over wierwille not being perfect and Grease Spotters are unforgiving. I’m disillusioned over wierwille being a phony, a con man! The man and his “ministry” are worthless! He’s the false prophet / ferocious wolf / bad tree of Matthew 7: 15 - 20 …and Jesus did NOT say “don’t throw out the baby with the bath water “ …He said every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. He did NOT say reform or try to salvage the bad tree or its fruit! And it saddens me to see anyone hold onto wierwille / PFAL with great tenacity while in their delusional world they make like they understand why I am dissatisfied with my whole TWI experience because they went through the same thing. They did not! They still believe wierwille’s bull$hit. wierwille could have had the best of intentions. But If he meant to do good then he should have gone about it honestly- instead of claiming he heard from God . If he was honest - why didn’t he just say “I got this from so-and-so, you should take BG Leonard’s class. “ why did he have to lie? Why did he have to steal? Why did he plagiarize big time? if he really believed God talked to him and God helped him “ correct” what others taught - then he was delusional. And anyone who comes to Grease Spot regularly and still thinks wierwille/ PFAL is the greatest thing since rightly-divided bread is probably delusional too. 4 crucified Bible interprets itself delusional! I left because I realized wierwille is a big phony and his life, his doctrines…his theories…and his practices can be summed up in two words: hypocritical bull$hit ! ~ ~ ~ ~ Late edit: I should also clarify the huge difference of experiences. Once Fred and Jane got married, Fred finds that Jane is no longer interested in going hunting and fishing with him. They still get along great and do other fun things together. Fred is a little saddened because he wanted her to be into his favorite hobbies like he is. That’s disappointment. People are not perfect so there’s bound to be some let downs. One day Fred returns home early from fishing due to bad weather – and finds Jane in bed with an old boyfriend from college – and it also comes out that there’s been others – for years. That’s betrayal. That’s what con artists do. Some disappointments can be negotiated, corrected, or compromised; others must be accepted and tolerated, if the relationship is otherwise viable and important to you. In contrast, betrayal is non-negotiable, intolerable, and should never be accepted without significant relationship repair. From: When Disappointment Feels Like Betrayal | Psychology Today

You mean you doubt that with all of Mikes vast background in PFAL and his hobknobbing with the best minds in neuroscience that he is the one called on a special mission?

I know one thing: it's a teaching that'll never get read, that is unless someone wants to spend 10 minutes scrolling past the KJV introduction.

I can see that. The last thing The Way would want is someone causing their checkered past to be resurrected every other post.