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Hey, listen. If the King James was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me.

But but but . . . . Four crucified!

Yeah some things are bigger than cults. Family is one of them, especially the one we made on our own outside of them. Christianity is another. Let all those isolationist fundamentalist arseholes all move the word cult over the world and leave me alone while I interact with real people in my community. My Lord’s body is not so narrow minded. Community is yet another. People are not a piece of meat for the class or an empty floating by. Removing the cult mentality means enjoying community with neighbors who are Methodist, Catholic and Community Christian like brothers and sisters in the body of Christ. Sometimes we attend each others churches and small groups. Owning a home with a mortgage is a big part of being community paying those taxes and contributing. Career is another. Why not enjoy working rather than suffering through it so you can fully give yourself to a volunteer demanding cult position? I mean why waste our lives on second-rate causes when God has given us richly so many things to enjoy?

Mike, actions speak louder than words, especially inaccurate ones. vp's teaching about wanting others to see Jesus falls flat on its face by everyone who knows how he utterly failed to do this and what a total hypocrite he was. Their testimonies to this fact are found throughout the threads on GSC. After reading the article a few times, I see that vp repeatedly links up his words about Jesus to the "word." When they want to see Jesus, who he is, we can show them God's Word and the greatness of Jesus Christ's position in the Word. If you want to see Jesus Christ through God's Word, you need to move, take action. Zacchaeus took the initiative and climbed up into that sycamore tree. I want to tell you, whenever there are men and women desiring to know the Lord Jesus Christ, they will have that desire met according to God’s Word. The only way you'll ever know who Jesus Christ is to come to God's Word. The Word makes known Jesus Christ. The Word tells you who he is. It is that Word which brings you to a knowledge of salvation. For me, the many times vp uses "God's word" or "the word" are solely an advertisement for twi since twi markets itself as being the only group having the accuracy and integrity of the "word" because of him. For someone like me who no longer respects him as a researcher, writer, teacher, a Christian believer or even as a man, this chapter is a dud.

Yes they tried to gaslight us into having marriage problems like they have done with so many couples. Gaslight, attack, drop from Corps and make them go back thru. You see absolute cult control is a stronger bond than marriage. It backfired on them. We went to a very qualified marriage counselor who basically told us the only problem with our marriage was these gaslighting arseholes. Amazingly once we dumped those from our lives and no longer listened to the gaslighters our lives improved amazingly for the better. Dropping the cult Bible interpretations we much more easily developed friendships in our community and with many local Christians. All of the other areas in our lives also improved. I guess from my life lessons if you want an abundant life or power stay as far away from the PFLAP cult that you can. And don’t believe one Word that the Pharisees tell you about your life.

All that effort spent and all so they can deify wierwille and maintain the vpw preservation society. Crazy. Thank God I'm out of that place and have the best relationship with God I've ever had

It makes more sense to me at this time to say Jesus Christ is The Word. When people were spreading "the message", "the word", they were talking about Jesus Christ. Not scrolls, although scrolls were likely involved. John 1:1 makes is clear The Word was God. Jesus said he was The Truth. Not a book. Thy Word is Truth. The Book's subject is Jesus Christ, The Word. I can imagine over time people confusing The Book with The Word. Words are in books. Kinda like a retemory mixes ideas up via association. (I'd probably have to say The Trinity makes more sense than it doesn't)

Scrolls and such containing what we know as the Old Testament we're kept in the Synagogues and Temple. Those scrolls we're not an exact match of our Old Testament, books have been removed. The Septuagint was the text of the day so to speak. Most likely Jesus, and most others learned from the Septuagint. The New Testament was compiled from cyclical letters. Nobody in the first century had the Bible as we have it. The first Bible wasn't printed until 1455 in Germany: The Gutenberg Bible. There's been various Canons developed. Some of the books that were dropped from our Canon likely shouldn't have been. Then there were the oral traditions that were passed down amongst Israel...many of those traditions were codified into modern day Judaism. Same old schtick as wierwille. The pharisees told people they needed their traditions to interpret the Torah. There was also the Babylonian Talmud. Jesus Christ referred to the oral traditions as well as the Babylonian Talmud as the traditions of men. He was against them fully.

Here's some philosophical wisdom that readers may or may not relate to, but I see it definitely as concerns twi: There is SOOOOOOOOOO much more knowledge about so SOOOOOOOOOOOO many, many things in life today than there were when we were enchained by TWI.

Im 100% with you on the entire post but the part I put in bold was exactly where I found myself once I fell out of favor and hit the exit back in 2008. It all resulted in sever depression, anxiety, and alcohol abuse to numb it all out. While I take full responsibility for all of my actions, especially the alcohol abuse, I was set on a path of ruin from the get go. And because of the law of believing garbage I was unable to accept loss and move on --- that would have been a negative confession. And if it took all of that for me to be where I am today then so be it because I have a REALLY good life and am very thankful and happy. Peace!

Yeah any Christian relationship is better away from them. Take the class go WOW go Corps climb that Way Tree ladder that’s the most damaging path a young person could take. Countless scores of people wind up on the other end of that garbage chute with destroyed finances, career, marriages, family and no ties to community. It is a waste of lives to fulfill an arbitrary goal that makes top Pharisees feel better about themselves.

Yes in contrast to RR who was a technophobe the current group embraces tech. What I see is they are expanding the whitewash campaign to several propped up websites they didn’t used to own. They are stuffing those sites full of basic teachings. They aren’t normal sites but content propped sites. It’s more like “Operation Whitewash”. They are trying to push down critical sites like ours here at GSC so they don’t come up on website searches as high. It’s not working because the content is faked and the search engines are too smart.

Apparently, according to some very deluded individuals, he preferred the PFLAP Orange Book...

Dude...we are on the exact same page.

Another problem with that equation is The Bible wasn't put together for centuries following Paul. I think the Roman Catholics put some canon together and the Protestants took it further. When folks 'received the word' 2000 years ago what were they receiving?

Yay for the imagination. It's saved me in more ways than one!