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  1. Revelation 22:18-19 King James Version 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Well, I mean. You did ask, right?
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  2. Weren't we taught in PLAF that that's how the serpent beguiled Eve? Add a word, subtract a word, change a word, turn the whole thing around.
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  3. “your knowledge of the Word and your overall practice of the principles of the greatness of God’s Word” principles are rules, beliefs, or values that guide or influence behavior or evaluation; something based on the laws of nature or a system, something that helps us know what is right and wrong. Considering the context, it’s one of wierwille’s typical innocuous statements that can be interpreted in many ways. I tend to be wary of his word salads though – since they are often comprised of pat answers, dog whistles (using coded or suggestive language in messaging to garner support from a particular group without provoking opposition), jargon, and just pet phrases he liked to toss out to the audience. When reading or listening to something wierwille said - as a TWI-cult-survivor I sometimes find myself mentally pressing the slo-mo button to analyze what he’s really saying. Depending on how you slice it and dice it – it could be interpreted as: your knowledge of the Word [that you get from my class PFAL] and your overall [ complete and undivided ] practice [believing ] of the principles [rules – like the law of believing and all the other stuff I taught you in PFAL ] of the greatness of God’s Word [the vast untapped riches that I’ve already revealed to you in PFAL]. ~ ~ ~ ~ Here now is the greatness of another T-Bone digression: “The Word” Remember the subtle crucial shift of importance in PFAL when wierwille says “The Word takes the place of the absent Christ"…and so instead of a moral imperative to follow Jesus Christ – having a genuine dynamic relationship with a person - Him ! which should be compelling enough – it is eclipsed by an intellectual directive to study “The Word”…that’s what probably led me to have a cold…clinical…book-knowledge approach to Christianity during my time in TWI - rather than pursuing a deeper…personally immersive experience through Jesus Christ. I am also highly suspicious of the manner in which wierwille seemingly hijacked the term “The Word”. In the NT we know that’s it’s used by itself only a few times (in the Greek The Logos) where it refers to Jesus Christ. He is The Word. Most places it has something attached – “the word of truth”, “the word of God”, “the word of the Lord”, etc. to bring more specificity to the meaning…wierwille so drilled into my head the concept of “The Word” really being his interpretation of the Bible – his saying The Word takes the place of the absent Christ takes on a whole other sinister cult-like meaning.
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  4. As wierwille's twi grew in the 1970's, it made a quantum leap from the 5th corps to the 6th corps. From the numbers I remember, the 5th corps had 75 graduates.... whereas, the 6th corps started in Emporia with near 340 corps. It was a massive leap in numbers and could not be trained at headquarters, so the trustees searched for a location and took out a second mortgage/loan to acquire the Emporia campus. Along with this risk.... twi was ill-equipped to handle the free-rolling, rowdy individuals that were part of this 6th corps influx. Thus, heavy-handed measures came into play. One of my big contentions with corps training was that it was obsessed with obedience. Far too much emphasis was placed on following leadership..... rather than diligence or spiritual vigilance. Why the excessive need for obedience? Control. Corps coordinators made it a dominant priority to rein corps into a herd-mentality. In other words, twi FEARED individual thought (and questioning authority). It is far easier to rule by fear than to rule with love. At one point, they shut the corps program down with an ultimatum..... OBEY or LEAVE. Why couldn't they gather the body of corps together for an open dialogue? Why, even today, does twi give GSC the *silent treatment* after 20+ years? For the same reasons that wierwille highlighted certain verses of scripture in pfal and ignored others. He was working towards a manufactured outcome. Remember his little "story" in pfal when wierwille talks about "The sower and the seed?" And, now Maggie, wierwille asks, "What do you think the good seed represents?" And, Snowball Pete, "What do you think this good seed is?" Wierwille's point.....STOP THINKING about what you think it means and keep reading. Yet, time and again, wierwille injects his thinking into other verses as the class unfolds. It wasn't only the things twi highlighted thru the years that were relevant, but what things THEY DISMISSED and MEMORY-HOLED that spoke volumes. We came to pfal or corps training as individuals..... but graduated as a part of wierwille's "crack troops" or corps grads. Where in the scriptures does Jesus specifically call the men who followed him as "my disciples" in the possessive term? Yet, wierwille brands his corps as cattle.... "my corps." The corps letters were littered with this group-inclusive terminology. The Way International fear us. Why do they fear us? They fear we will have our own thoughts and speak up for ourselves. They fear we will become independent of their branding and no longer be subjugated to their will. They fear we will question their authority over us and relegated to the dustbin of history. They fear we will stand up for ourselves and start banding together. They fear we will become stronger and their influence will become weaker. They fear we will use our power against them as they fall further into irrelevance. They fear that we will awaken others to the deception that they perpetuate. They fear our free-thinking and tossing aside the burdens of fear and guilt. They fear that we are no longer captive to their authority. They fear we are independent. Philosopher Bertrand Russell quote (after devastation of WWI): Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth — more than ruin, more even than death. Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible; thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habits; thought is anarchic and lawless, indifferent to authority, careless of the well-tried wisdom of the ages. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid…Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man.
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  5. No sir, you are in error once again. Critical Greek Text: As you can see, from the fourth century onwards the material base for establishing the text of the Greek New Testament is very good indeed. (OldSkool note: this dates the Critical Greek Text of Westcott and Hort based on Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaticus. Both highly suspect Alexandrian based texts that do not agree fully with the Textus Receptus) https://library.duke.edu/papyrus/texts/manuscripts.html Textus Reptus: https://textusreceptusbibles.com/What_is_the_Textus_Receptus Textus Receptus agrees with the earliest versions of the Bible: Pedangta (AD150) Old Latin Vulgate (AD157), the Italic Bible (AD157) etc https://textusreceptusbibles.com/Editorial/Erasmus
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  6. Mike: "Think about the rule to not change a word: In a translation nearly EVERY word is changed from one language to another." That's why it's called translation!! This sinister, cunning argument is seductive illogic to a dull mind, to a mind seeking to beleeeve, to a mind raising a stop sign to clarity of thought. Victor's writings and holding forths are replete with these pithy seductions to kneel before the gods of willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty and non sequitur. Statements like this SEEM accurate, logical. But they are so astonishingly, blindingly stupid, they can seduce even the most humble lover of God to turn and follow the luminescent piper. Just exhausting!
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  7. I see what you are saying. Here's my side of it. 1. GSC is an open forum to discuss ideas. 2. With vp, his "expression of an idea" and the words he used "to describe it" became a doctrine (a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church) which progressed into becoming dogma (a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true). That's how we ended of with "the law of believing," "the great principle" about holy spirit and "The Word takes the place of the absent Christ." The problem is that these terms of his were contrary to what the scriptures actually taught and therefore were extremely detrimental to the believers - they made the word of God in our lives ineffectual. 3. So when I said that the words you used ("virtue drainage, budget on virtue that day and Jesus needed to be sharp about it, finite virtue budget") were not in the scriptures you were referring to, it was in the context of showing that your terms (like vp's) were contrary to what the scriptures actually said and as a result would take the power and life out of the word of God (Heb 4:12).
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  8. Mike your budget idea shows the constraints of your self censorship to PFlappy collaterals for 3 decades. I don’t come up with your ideas just comment on them. There is no hate in my heart towards you. That’s ridiculous. I just comment on the bondage that I see from the path you have taken. But instead of taking to heart what I am saying you have a natural defense reaction of accusing others of the very thing they are pointing out to you. The only mind control is your self imposed control from running with blinders on. I’m not winning arguments this isn’t a debate. It is a forum where comments flow sequentially in time though. There is no condemnation to any in Christ. But the bondage of self censorship to plagiarized materials is definitely damaging to any Christ relationship. You come up with a half baked idea. Then you sling it out here and whine when others say your cake is half baked. It is not belittling to point out ideas that are little because of where they grew up. Look it is a very very very simple concept that if you live in a sheltered world in Biblical research you will form ideas that are not going to jive with the rest of the body of Christ. VPW was the king of conspiracy theories. He could find them in a single comma in the Bible. Caving in to conspiracy theorists will leave you trying to protect your mind from aliens with a tinfoil hat.
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  9. Lots to refute here, bless his little heart, but I’ll start with thie quote above. Anyone know WITAF are the principles of greatness?
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  10. So that would explain why Jesus didn't mention it in Matthew 24 with all the other end time events. Thanks OldSkool.
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  11. Good point And there’s the whole digestive cycle too - your dawgz will be known for passing of the poop-triarch …a unique dis-stink-shun as doo-ers of the turd and not eaters only…Awgie dawggie my Engwish is turdful! and please try to be more tolerant in your home since we’re supposed to be ASPCA good to the household. (sorry that one was a bit of a stretch… but i had them rolling in the aisles when I was a standup comic…actually it wasn’t that funny - but I learned this trick at a Pentecostal revival - I’d whisper to someone in the front row “rollover” and give them a little milk-bone if they did it.)
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  12. The verb "slept" is not in the past tense. When you look at this word in an Interlinear Bible, it is in the perfect participle tense (V-RPM/P) and means "having fallen asleep" (see website below). Therefore this verse is saying, "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that died and continue to be dead." (This agrees with the meaning of the word firstfruits.) Perfect Participle conveys a sense of completion and acts as a bridge between the past and the present. It is a completed action (he died) that has lasting or permanent results (he is dead) In other words, it means a completed action shown by the period above (he died) that has lasting or permanent results shown by the (he is dead); it often reflects a state resulting from past action. You form the perfect participle by putting the present participle “having” in front of the past participle. For example: having done, having finished, having read, having spoken. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/15-20.htm
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  13. Wierwille's problem (in contemporary American culture and religious history) is not simply the ubiquity of the internet, but also the immensely immense growth of social and psychological scientific knowledge and understanding over the last two millennia. Not to mention how many people can read and write because of the proliferation of public education (worldwide).
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  14. Just a little charlatan so full of bullshonta. Had he been given an enema before he died, he could have been buried in a match box.
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  15. I prefer calling VPW what he was: a sexual predator, a cavalier plagarist, an abuser of naive followers.
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  16. “It is finished” = Release from Your Prisons ~ ~ ~ ~ Yes Dorothy, that means you don’t have to send in your blue forms with the Twig's abundant sharing anymore. Meanwhile the wicked witch of the offshoots wants those ruby slippers.
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