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Speaking only for myself, I believe this is the salient point of this thread.

Throughout all (without exception) of victor’s writings and sermons, hundreds, even thousands, of contradictions like this are NOT merely apparent. They literally leap off the page to stand unassailable on their own, above all.

"The Word" said whatever Wierwille wanted it to say. Problem solved.

You know, it's funny, when you go into something with a preconceived notion about what you WANT to get out of it, you miss what actually WAS said. Thank you, Nathan, for your assistance there. I was waiting for a discussion about doctrine and evidence and I totally missed the message about tolerance and faithfulness [what I would have called, in another time, the "stayed mind"].

Just for the record, from my files: Wierwille's contradictory teachings on "soul life" 1971: Wierwille's Power for Abundant Living book, Pg. 237 “The soul life is in the blood and is passed on when the sperm impregnates the egg at the time of fertilization.” 1977: Christian Family and Sex class, 1977 syllabus, Pg. 12 “The most dramatic part of the birth is the crowning because this is when the baby takes its first breath of life and becomes a living soul.” 1979: Advanced Class on Power for Abundant Living, Segment 9 (on tape which I no longer have): “The first breath of a child is soul life, until that time, there’s no soul life.”

Song about those who abuse and those who want to be abused https://genius.com/Eurythmics-sweet-dreams-are-made-of-this-lyrics

She's a critic of Christian fundamentalism as a prevailing political force in America today, right? She is a critic of the "toxic masculinity" embodied by political leaders who can just grab women by the *****. Her book is Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation. My understanding of what she is saying in this disjointed interview is that she is STILL a Christian in spite of all the ***** grabbing justified by so-called Christians; and she remains a Christian in spite of being personally attacked by right wing Christian fundamentalist evangelicals. She makes a distinction between mere "proclaimers of Christ" and "followers of Christ," implying that she is the latter. Amid the backlash from her book, she says she questioned her own faith and identity as a Christian, but she had a "religious experience" and is now at peace with calling herself a Christian. She talks about becoming more tolerant of Christian traditions outside her own (Dutch Reformed). Though she was raised to look at all other denominations as wrong (sound familiar?), she now looks to learn from other traditions and even re-examine her own for errors. She claims to confess the Nicene Creed. Someone earlier said if you don't confess the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, you aren't a Christian. Well, it sounds like she's covered, if that's a fundamental metric. When asked what it means to be a Christian, she offered two points. One was community. I don't remember the other. I don't think she gave a strong answer here. Sounds to me like she's a Christian, but it doesn't really matter to me. We agree on at least one thing, though: grabbing women by the ***** is not very Christ-like.

And for something completely different, try this: Izar Ederrak (Beautiful Star) - it's in Basque (Spain) and we were provided with a translation and a pronunciation guide. What any Basque speakers would make of our singing ... let's hope there are none in the audience! The song grows on you after a while.