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We used to call my niece "duck butt" because her diaper and the way she walked looked kinda like a duck. Maybe in Howie's case someone dropped the butt part.

Oh, they were even making squirrel tacos . . . supposedly very good . . .

Yep.. they are planning grey squirrel genocide.. some say Benjamin Franklin introduced the grey squirrel to Britain.. others say they were imported in the Victorian era to "amuse" the aristocracy.. then the yankee squirrels did what yankee squirrels do.. reproduce like a plague.. warning: the article is silly, but factually correct. Best I can tell anyway.. http://www.scarysquirrel.org/vacation/ukcull/index.html I also understand that the greys carry a form of "squirrel pox" that the red squirrels cannot develop immunity to..

I dunno. I have had three or so said "prophecies".. all were personal dreams, pre twi days.. two of them have occured.. and when they played out, it was like watching a movie unfold having pre-read the script.. the last one, hasn't happened. I keep looking.. I'd repeat it here, if anyone thinks they might have a clue..

I was introduced to a number of rankings for Christians over the years. The ones that stand out most in my mind are: Nominal, Believers, Disciples. Today I read about another: Notional. As defined, a "notional" Christian is one who holds (even passionately) to notions, doctrines, and propositions about Christ (or Christianity in general) yet bear no fruit. Sound like any organization you know?

In the mid or late nineties LCM declared the word Christian a derogatory term. We were 'believers.' He claimed the term Christian in the bible was what the unbelievers called the believers. I do believe that a wafer family changed the name of a child--he had been named Christian. But when I first got involved we called ourselves Christians--but a new, better type of Christian in our long and detailed explanations.

No.

In my neck of the woods, this is a common sight: And about a hundred miles north, these are the common variety: They're really just variations of the Grey Squirrel.

vpw was dead for most of my existance, it certainly could have evolved from "we're a better version than them" to "we're nothing like them"

Now if I understand you right Bramble I have to agree. Folks talking about having an f'in spider crawling out of their nose, cobweb imagery, and other creepy tangents, and it is all suppose to be normal!? But as a bystander I never understood why these types of things came up, nor do I now see the profit in sharing images and references to these things among a few informed folks while the rest of us just have to deal with the creepy imagery. Personally I would be up for either simply clarifying the reason for these images or even better, having a full and open consideration of these things. and since this is the Greasespot Cafe, I would just expect to have differing opinions expressed. I like that aspect of GSC, that is a lot better to me than having some TWI style, puffed up, and deluded leader telling everyone else what is or isn't true. I've had personal prophecies given me that not only didn't come true, but looking back it seems plain that if they had come to pass would have simply sucked me into some "prophet's" own personal private agenda party that was done in God's name. In "River Road Fellowship" one supposed prophet said that God's judgement would be poured out on the U.S. by winter, I don't remeber if that was six or seven years ago. But since it didn't contradict Barnard's latest false prediction of when the Lord would return it was presented to the group, publically, as a true revelation. Of course the supposed prophet did not like me. Once I tweaked him by pointing out that my thinking was geometric in nature after he said his was linear. Of course that one had him scouring his Corps notes only to discover that "geometric thinking" was indicative of great leaders according to Corps doctrine. (hehehe) While linear thinking made for great followers. Looking back I consider that it was fun to tweak him with that b.s. Corps teaching, but I think that this guy always held it against me. And of course he once accused his wife of "LOOKING AT ME". And another of his visions had as a major component "a large pile of rollerblades", I'm not making that up. Those things had Barnard and his thuggish cretins looking for God's guidance for "River Road Fellowship." So because of my past, these types of things can get me worked up. But because I believe the scriptures I believe that such things may be good and genuine. But my experience has been in dealing with wannabe prophets and b.s. visions.

you had to sign up for them, then later on you'd get a map outlining your tiny section of woods. You'd also get a list of instructions like don't shoot below 10' and don't shoot rosie never even saw a dang squirrel, course the next day they'd be everywhere one dude did use a shotgun, and got two in one outing H. @llen would keep a tally and announce the "winner" at lunch time. He'd also instruct the women not to pray for the squirrels. . . . Ham, you do hear about what going on across the pond between the English Reds and the American Grays?

Another Way myth is laid to rest. HERE And an added twist of irony: If you want to hunt squirrels as a food source, why choose the tiny red squirrel? Wouldn't it make more sense to take the Greys or, even larger, Fox Squirrels?

Exactly, squirrely one

gawd forbid we have any "homo" pre-disposition in squirrels.. yep.. makes sense.. if one can't tolerate a "homo" pet.. willing to "blow away" rover for.. (self censored description of vile acts) surely we can't condone the same in squirrels..

Maybe what people enjoyed and connected with in the woods had nothing to do with herr vey to begin with..

"Get thee behind me, spidey butt!!"

I'll tell you what was so sad about this whole spiders out the nose thing: The whole idea that having these thoughts (whether they be prophecy or dreams) constituted a "good" or "godly" thing. All this took place within the context of God sharing this information as a warning. No one, I mean NO ONE stopped and considered the ill effect of having, much less stating that they were having these kind of thoughts. It seemed to be all along the line of normal, natural discourse, which I guess was for them in their world.

The spirituality of the way woods was an extension of the "Wierwille myth"...the snow on the gas pumps, etcetera... What it actually was...was a small area of woods in the middle of flat corn country...farmers would always leave a small area of woods alone for whatever reason...I've been in many woods in my time and there was nothing exceptional about this place...spiritually or otherwise. I thought that the campus of the University of Miami was "spiritual" when I walked around it all night doing LSD... ...so what is it boys and girls?...If I was a younger man, I would take a flame thrower to that place...

I never recalled anyone in TWI downgrading the term Christian. We just never used the term alot, even though I considered myself to be one. Our thing was Believer, Family and or Household. If you were a believer you were part of the Family....Household on the other hand meant something totally different. As far as I can see in the bible, there is no "household" You get born again and you are in the Family of God. They never said so called Christians weren't in the Family, to my knowledge, but you had to be in TWI and "walking the Word" to be in the household. And later I think it turned into, if you were Corps you were in the household. This is what my memory recollects..It was a long time ago since I was in TWI.....I could be wrong....

You may be a TWI tool if.... You don't even realize that your attitude of superiority has you insulting good folks left and right, while you think you love people...really.

Thank you, Kimberly, it's just our lives and our new normal and like so many things we adapt to it, but your thoughtfulness is appreciated. For me, I struggle with my choices and re-think things that can't be changed no matter how much I re-think; it's futile mostly. I find myself most thankful for amazing children who don't also grieve the loss of a proper place where daddy is buried, who don't lament about 'why can't we move to Ohio to be closer to daddy' or any of that. They are women of strength and understanding and good, for which I'm thankful. I'm ok with having to contact someone in a TWI office if we did choose to return, simply because I do understand it is a business, a property not my own and therefore I have to extend them the courtesy. It's a part of my choice to have his remains buried there. For now, it's what we've got but we've also got a "daddy tree", a little blue spruce planted and happily growing in memory of a good husband and father. :)

or a sore for sight eyes..

One minute, I'm 16, 17 thinking . . . can't wait till I'm 18 and don't have to go to stupid fellowships anymore. WTF's so special about PFAL and twi anyway? Next minute I'm stuck in a white minivan at 3 am on cold January nights. Didn't anyone read my file? *Bolshevik* "Hates going to fellowship and thinks Dr. Ws books contradict each other" maybe it was a punishment, or a scare tactic I got to chase people. That was fun. a few coons weren't so lucky

Fellowship, kinda like folks at the local watering hole . . . or an opium house.

Pfal"it was a disgrace for me to ever been in this service."Hey wait vper said he never preached a negative then proceeded to mouth quite a few. One time a tcs kid got married,to a luthern kid,it was a luthern service,I was not personally there wife was, she told this to me.The preacher had the girl deny her service to the way!Then become a luthern! Couple things went on in my mind when I heard it,One ida either rolled on the floor laughing saying,hey tc aint ya gonna say somthing?Or I would have jumped up and told the minister to go f hisself. Since I was not there one will never know,but the tc and his wife had to eat shi@ that day.How do ya raise a kid then have em do that?I lost all respect to the tc and his wife,at least I would have said somthing!

Know that Yahweh your God is God, the faithful God who keeps His gracious covenant loyalty for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commands. But He directly pays back and destroys those who hate Him. He will not hesitate to directly pay back the one who hates Him. Deuteronomy 7: 9,10 Well, if God is like that towards men who hate him, how bad is it going to be for one who cannot repent? Does it really stand to reason that because God is love, He does not hate things? The bible says He hates things and that is just as true as that He is love. Is it really wrong to hate evil? How does that make Him any LESS loving? It doesn't . . . God's love is not tolerance for anything and everything. . . and everyone including Satan. . . not even close. God is love and God is just, Holy, Righteous, and promises to avenge evil. . . no?

Looking for a restroom.. hmm. I'd better not say..

"President of Greasespot?".. http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=13147815 Is this a joke? Paw.. don't tell me you sold us down the river..

DWBH didn't save any of the brown acid from woodstock, did he? wasn't bad acid.. just somebody got a little "generous" with the blotter I would think..

so it isn't my illusion only.. heh

I just looked again.. it was still there.. the loyster at his "best"(?)..

I think I only had two (maybe 3) cars during my sojourns to herr holy ground.. one was a 1972 Chevy Brookwood station wagon.. no it did not leak oil, transmission fluid, etc.. but it was a friggin rust bucket.. then there was the 1982 escort hatchback.. It leaked oil like a sieve.. this vehicle was designed by devils, for sure.. it never made it on grounds.. that I can remember.. kinda surreal, eh? :) yeah.. nothing going on now.. all is quiet.. Yep.. seems they are sitting back, just waiting for all the goings on in the USA to just kinda go away.. why they want to bother Belgium.. now that's beyond me. Reminds me of an old old B movie.. I'll have to find the name..

I still want to know more about this miraculously cut grass.. is it anything like the miraculously clean parking lots? You know..have executive type assigned it's oversight.. an "all nine all da time" kinda fella.. *spiritual* enough to catch the deluge of oil and transmission fluid from wowmobiles, *ahem* waydisciplemobiles, into designated bins, before said contamination even hits the pavement..

for that matter.. I wonder how linder feels about that..

heh.. I wonder how linder's wife feels about that..

The bad thing about all of this.. da way made both of them. They could have EASILY defused the situation. Just let mac wander in the woods once a year or something.. let him do whatever he wanted.. he wouldn't give them a REASON to run him off grounds.. and practically nobody would have known. He would come, do his thing.. quietly leave and that would be the end of it.. no "compromise" with da "adversary" I guess..

I dunno about all of this.. while I tread lightly regarding individuals here who have loved ones interred on way grounds.. I really really think.. mac was an opportunist.. I think he wanted back in the organization, at whatever capacity possible. Including trespass "rights". Does this make sense? Or am I seeing something really off base here? Maybe he was trying to stage a coup of sorts. Look at one of the other players involved, about the same time period.. jp. He brought accusations of neglect, indifference and harshness of the then way in regards to.. his ma. While I have compassion in regards to Mrs. Wierwille.. Would he possibly use the heart-tugging situation to his advantage? Its just a thought. Is there any coincidence here that these two players somehow seem to converge on a Mississippi farm? And the new tactic- from what I perceive.. if you can't join them, (try to) beat them. They have a new wierwille to develop, who has a strikingly familiar name (assigned to him by pa) for the twenty-first century.. they resurrect the old program, and merely copy the goals, the objectives, the methods.. Honestly, in my opinion, people have been "played" here..

This last sunday we had my grandfather's funeral. I'm bound to be thankful for him for the rest of my life. I learned great things from him and I have no doubt that I would be a better man if I could only have spent more time with him. When we were in momentous and had been exposed to the false prophet movement I read him one of the prophecies that were given to my wife and I. With peace and confidence he said "Jeff, you've gotta watch out for prophecies, they don't all come from God." After considering the matter I confronted the one who was in charge in our little group about momentous doctrine and it led to us leaving momentus fellowship. The group that I was with never even said thak you, (spiritual dishonesty) and my ex-wife can still be mad till today when the heart for the scripture that I first learned from my grandfather is rememberred by me as often having a part in correcting the spiritually dishonest man that I'm refering to. Many times I brought up some doctrine I believed and grandpa looked at the Word and simply said, "Jeff, that's not what it says." He did it with love and authority and in truth was the only man living that I think of and can then comprehend the fear of the Lord. I'm gonna mis him a lot. (sob)

Yep. Somehow I knew this thread would end up leading into a discussion on the Horny of Plenty.

Thank you very much Dot. It has been over a year now and I still think of him often.....

is there a site where i can buy a cd,tape,or album ? i had the mini ep a long time ago ,thanks ,jeff

Thanks NKA, but no message in the PM.

Whatever.

Rocky, do mean he posted something here at GSC? If anyone has an address or phone number, if you would be so kind, contact me via the PM service or email. Thanks, Jim.

The heart's cry of the common man is for help. Man's help truly has to come from the Lord. We must learn to go to God's Word, the fountainhead of all truth, for that help. WM 07-08/85 So Mike, the period concluding this paragraph is the final period?

If we believe that throughout the Scriptures we have the words of God and not of man, many difficulties will disappear. We must allow the Divine Author the rights and privileges claimed and operated by every human author, namely, that He may quote, readapt or repeat in varied forms His own previously written or spoken words. God could have used other forms had He chosen to do so, but it has pleased Him to repeat His own word or words, introducing them in different contexts, with new applications and connotations. Thus it obligates us to study the context, the paragraph and the section where the same word appears and where it was used previously, to see if its usage is in a new sense or not. RHST pg 223 Mike, doesn't this paragraph from Receiving the Holy Spirit Today essentially sum up, or describe, what we have in book and magazine form from the Way Ministry?

How do you determine what is true and what is not? What do you breathe? What do you eat and drink? Do you have a home that provides comfort? Don't be discouraged in your quest for truth and life by naysayers and critics.

Thank you both! This is my first holiday season without my grandpa, but I'm certain that for my mom and his other children that it is much harder on them. And as far as my laugh goes, people have told me at times that it is similar to my mom's laugh, often times I hear that right along with an exhortation to laugh a little quieter. If I could at all be truly a legacy for any of my grandparents and their many good points I would be content with this life I think.

At his funeral we sang "How Great Thou Art", " What a Freind We Have in Jesus", and Then Towards the end of the service " He Hideth My Soul". In the last song, it wasn't until the point where we sang the forth verse that starts out "When clothed with His brightness transported I rise To meet him in clouds of the sky" that I stared to feel a little better. I could have sworn it made the minister that ran the service a little red-faced, but I'm not in the mood to consider family politics and doctrine too much right now. I just want people to be blessed, and I don't want to start a fight on the heals of Grandpa's passing. His memory and simple caring for my family seems to deserve better.

Mark 11:22,23: ------------ And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I saith unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. ------------- Here is something the 'biblical researchers' (are there any left?) should reconsider. What is it that is being emphasized in the above verse, is it believing or is it speaking? The way I read it, believing is only mentioned once in that verse but speaking is mentioned three times. So according to God's Word, which would you say is greater - someone doing the believing, or someone doing the speaking? I came to the conclusion the reason the law of believing does not work for some (the reason there is no law of believing for them) is because that is what they say about it. They say it often and have said it a lot. Therefore they will receive whatever they presently have to say about it, and true to form they also have whatsoever they have said. I recall the emphasis of the teaching in TWI was mostly on the believer having to 'believe' for something to get results, but not much (if anything) was it ever shown or taught to the belever the emphasis is not on what one believes - positive or negative, but rather on what they confess - what they have to say about it. There is the "SOURCE" for the law of believing. YOU will have whatsoever you say. But then I imagine, someone who was probably above you in TWI had something entirely different they wanted to say about it too - didn't they?