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Did VPW or LCM or ANYONE (for that matter) ever actually have a "revelation" that came to pass?

The scriptures pull no punches in exposing those who SPIN and are IN...the vicious cyle of "ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Perhaps, twi and its splinter groups would do well to spend time studying this section of scripture and then, taking a hard, long look in the mirror. For those who stand guilty of spinning this cycle......ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth......are men (women) who are lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, false accusers, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, having a form of godliness [and that's not even the WHOLE LIST]. Have we seen men and women like this? Is it any wonder that the proud and highminded want a following? Is it surprising that such false leaders seek their own "teaching ministries" or splinter groups or web sites that spew their rhetoric? So when this verse shows up: II Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. .....it is not surprising that these false teachers/accusers STAND IN OPPOSITION TO GOD AND THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD. And yet.......some left twi only to jump into another spin cycle.

Of course had he been honest then his cult never would have become as "big" as it did. But if VPW had known that, one day, any 10 year old could find out the truth about snow on gas pumps, who invented the hook shot and what Pike's Peak really was, plagiarism etc. ...would he have been a more honest minister? He had no checks and balances and was dangerously unchallenged no matter what he claimed. or was he truly a psychopath?

Yeah, I almost forgot about some of the FLO who were "ordered" to get out of the entire state within 24 hours. (Draggin' down the greatness of the work going on at Mt. Knockwurst, dontcha know.)

Taz, Taz, Taz I'm afraid we may have to take away your gold star from the AC. Actually, you are correct, though. (At least within the context of TWI definitions.) pg. 26 The "Manifestation of Believing" is your operation of the God-given ability whereby you may "believe" to bring to pass the impossible at your command according to what God has revealed to you by Word of Knowledge, Word of Wisdom and Discerning of Spirits. It also inspires "believing" in others. (quotation marks added for emphasis) Pg 10 Keys To Walking By The Spirit 9. It may be essential to put "unbelievers" out of the room. Hand written notation (Their "unbelieving" interferes with your ability to operate the "manifestation of believing".) :wacko:

Do not forget V.P. also claimed God told him how to make oil.... He never did because he was not in this world for the money.... copenhagen

I was unaware that revelation was an act of believing.

Maybe, martindale thought the application read......Home Despot. <_<

I am so happy for you and your family.

Taxicab, believe me; it's a good thing they don't.

Yes, I feel it is a grave evil for government to take a function that should be carried out by each and every individual. What part of that do you not understand? You say, Take another look at what it is you are opposing. The help, care, and concern for those less fortunate. That is a dishonest, deceitful, and loaded statement. I never once have said, nor have I implied. I have opposed the government usurping a task assigned to individuals. There is a difference. But let us try to understand here the hard lesson you are trying to teach: are you saying that it is sinful an evil to oppose the government or that it is sinful and wrong to oppose the government on matters where Geisha779 and GarthP2000 agree with the government? This gentleman is acting sinfully, in your mind. He is opposed to Health Care Reform. If he doesn't repent, he will go to h3ll. These people are acting sinfully, because they oppose government policy, right? This woman is sinful, because she refused to accept a sham re-election of Ahmadinejad in Iran. In this case, the people with the pro-"choice" signs are acting in accordance with the Scriptures, because they are supporting government policy, but those with the pro-"life" signs are evil, because they are not giving respect where respect is due (Rom 13:7). These Iraq War protesters and these Vietnam War protesters are horribly sinful, because they dare to oppose the "ministers of God" (Rom 13:6) "Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment." (Rom 13:2) -- these folks should have simply gone back to their segregated schools, segregated neighborhoods, and gotten back in the back of the bus and gone home and pay their taxes and shut up. And, of course, these people are already in H3ll. They committed the ultimate sin: they opposed their government and started a revolution, over, of all things, taxes. -------------- Geisha, let us separate the arguments. There is a legitimate discussion as to whether or not it is a government function to provide social services to the less fortunate, there is a separate function as to the government's function to take over the healthcare industry, and then there is a discussion whether one may morally dissent from the government in any case. You, Geisha, are too new around here for me to know your position on the Iraq War based upon your posting history. Garth and I have had many discussions on the subject and so we know each other's position on the matter. So I don't know whether you would say that Iraq War protesters were morally wrong in protesting that effort. Based upon Garth's posting history, I would surmise that he would have a really hard time saying that Iraq War protesters (or Vietnam War protesters, for that matter) were acting in a morally illicit fashion (of course, some did, I am talking about peaceful protesters, not those who used violence). I would imagine, though, that you would support the aims of the civil rights protesters of the 60s and the women's suffrage movement of the early 20th century. (If I'm wrong in my assumption, please let me know). But these people, whose pictures I've linked, were protesting in opposition to established government policies and the authorities who enacted and enforced those policies. Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.(Rom 13:1-2). Were these people, the civil rights protesters and women's suffrage protesters, acting in morally illicit fashion? Will they (or have they) incured the judgment of God? So before dealing with the moral licitness of the government performing certain functions, let us deal with whether a person can legitimately oppose the government or rebel against the government in any case. Is it always wrong or is it only wrong when one disagrees with Geisha? (And, by the way, what kind of veil do you use when you pray? (1 Cor 11:5) And, of course, I don't need to ask if you keep silent in the church (1 Cor 14:34) -- of course you do)

I heard a lot about how us lowly people ruined revelation by not believing, so it couldn't come to pass because of our screw-ups. imagine that, all that power we had to wreck God's plans.

Wierwille had this really slick way of predicting events AFTER they happened by claiming that "the father" had told him about it BEFORE it happened...and of course, he had to keep it quiet. These stories, oftentimes, were retold by glassy eyed followers who would claim that Wierwille foretold something... and by the way, he made a lot of money doing this.

He he, flow chart, including Xbox there are some theories that the internet began in the 1960s, perhaps had he received revelation he would have claimed that it was his idea, like when he invented McDonalds.

It's a trick question . . . revelation is always changing . . .

When you say "came to pass" you are limiting the scope of revelation to predicting the future. (prophesy). But, I digress. So, I would say "yes". VPW predicted that Craig would lead "the ministry" in a new direction. And so he did. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!

Exactly! My husband is more of a man in the way it matters to me than anyone else I've ever met. That's why we're married. He was taking care of business at work and at home and not running off to try to impress people who didn't give a rat's a$$ about him or our situation.

I must comment that I find a certain satisfaction out seeing the okie in that pic...wearing the apron... ...whether it's real or not, makes no difference...it represents his fallen state.I don't usually revel in someone else's misfortune, but I'll make an exception this time...Because of the way he treated so many people (including myself), I'm glad that he hit the wall harder than Mr MaGoo playing Jai Alai... ...C'mon Craig, what's the matter?...I guess you just didn't get enough out of the program.