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Yeah I wonder if it has something to do with their domineering, controlling, abusive, self centered, egocentric, attitudes.

Okay-we'll just say tater tots. LOL

How come in most governmental circles and even in many large denominations the leadership is rotated every 4 years or so. Isn't it to keep people from making dictatorships. Isn't it for change and new growth. VP wouldn't have moved over for anyone, neither would have LOY until the sex scandal hit the fan. Now Rosie I know has the meekness of a mule in heat. She would never turn the reigns over no matter how bad it gets. Don't these people get it. It's a dictatorship. The followers will never have any say. Why did it take us so long to wake up. Wake up, it's a hoax a totally controlled environment. With a MOG who thinks they are God's spokesman. "IF you do what we tell you God will protect you". What a crock. Belch, blech, cough, hack. Are there any good dictatorships? Never heard of one.

I saw one on ghostbusters!

It had a lot do to with getting rid of the so called "weak" to get to a so called "healthy state" where the body would again start to grow. It was one of many "last ditch" efforts of a sinking ship.

Amen great topic I enjoyed reading what you shared and learned from it. I always wondered how to handle the good times in my mind. There were good times no doubt but as you shared it was designed to reel us in. And boy did it work. Makes me understand why I stayed so long.

This may or may not have been posted here but it's worth another look anyways. It's Stand By Me done by street musicians from across the world.http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=2539741" http://

My real answer is the fact that- I don't have to go to any meetings or run around gathering up people and material for classes, or worry about getting called or faxed or emailed about not reporting back about something I did or didn't do. or worry about whether God is going to bless me because I didn't give enough over the 10 percent minimum. Now I can do whatever the hell I want to do. That makes me feel a lot better.

Congrats, we're in our 25th and I can't agree more, it gets better especially if you are willing to put work into it.

I have been working at this for a few years and have finally come out with a CD of songs called Happy Hour. They are designed primarily for the boating world but anyone who would enjoy a tropical mood may be inclined to give a listen. Anyone interested please pm me for my website so you can hear samples of all the songs and if you like it you can purchase it. You may also enjoy my boating pics on my website.

It's certainly not wheat berries and yogurt on cereal.

I heard from some I know who are still in that Gunnison isn't just used for classes. Grads can go there for R&R time. Although R& R could mean-Running from Ranting leadership.

I don't think there are many where he didn't go on a rampage. If I was forced to listen to one of those again I'd jump off a bridge.

They do call it that . But what a crock of lies. How dare they use something God has reserved for himself as a "scare tactic". This shows the out of control "ego" that motivates this group of bozos. They will have to answer for that.

Good topic Skyrider- I think the point is Vic wanted us to see him as the MOG the teacher and we were the students who would learn to shut up and listen to his every word. What we had learned in our past was nothing, null and void, compared to all his great knowlege. He was going to bestow upon us in all his wisdom the way we should think and live. Sort of like life according to VIC. So we can't go beyond what we are taught in essence means don't think for yourselves -I'll do the thinking for you. Then."show me the money". Next I want your life, heart, labor, commitment and on and on.

In answer to your question. No we should not be worried. They are the ones who duped us and conned us out of our money. If anything they are the ones who are worried. Why do you think they watch every move here. As for where they keep their files, who cares. We could start a pole though. My guess- Probably in some underground secret hole where people in nazi like fashion wearing white lab coats are going over each document with their magnifying glasses until someone says - hah we've got him.

I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that Dood was paid off by AIG and others to omit the bonus rights out of the legislation. Bingo.

You can start with mr. potato head.

Sorry folks I've been in hibernation for a few months, us Polar Bears need winter fun in the sun. I've been trying to catch up and came across this great thread. Thanks to all for the great insight here. Bingo- Sorry Ted-you were one of few who had good experiences. I think VP knew well enough to leave you alone because you were older and more mature than the rest of us young ones VP could easily influence. But you have to admit you did leave. And you did leave pretty early on. After you left it got worse every year as the MOGs ego grew with the growth of the ministry. Yes the ministry had it's front group of musicians who VP used to get to people's pocketbooks. I think that's what his goal was he was a businessman. This was his corporation. He used them for his purposes. I was involved in a small way in some Way Prod events. VP totally had to be in charge. It was disgusting. It was his way or the highway. I won't go into details. And yes the ministry for the most part sucked the life out of it's people including the musicians. I used to love writing songs but couldn't do it for years even after I left. Fortunately I have seen some of the "love of life" I used to have come back, thanks to many of you here and thanks to God for just blessing me now that I'm free from "twi"s grip. In fact last year I started writing again and next month I'm coming out with a CD. I have been inspired by my love for sailing and boating to write some fun music for that genre. We'll see where is goes.

Thanks Skyrider for those interesting facts. Yes the waybots will continue to monitor this site it's what they are programmed to do! I do know folks who are still in and they still think they are right about everything and others who don't think like they do are wrong. And they still think they have all the answers. What do you do- Hope they will figure it out like we did someday.

Same here. Happy New year everyone. Let's hope things move ahead with the new prez you have.

I guess the link isn't working anymore. I'll post something later.

Thanks for the couple who offered to help. I thought I'd take a stab at it myself first. Here is a link to a work in progress. It's called TGIF. It's for the boating community in our area. Any suggestions or comments appreciated. Just starting to get into writing again after twi sucked the life outta me. My first original tune since twi daze. http://http://www.masteringmatters.com/stu...%27s_Friday.mp3

Isn't if funny how the oil companies justified their high prices on costs. Then when the economy is down they can just lower their prices. What happened to the cost of production. I guess they made a mistake "or something". Jerks. They should all be hung.

It's the quality time with them that they will remember. Have a great holiday season.