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Why do people keep coming back.. I think.. It would be fair to say that MOST of the people here spent a significant amount of life in the gulag from adolescence to later adulthood. Der vey defined how we communicated with each other, how we spent our time.. how to "date", or relate to the opposite sex.. defined marriage parameters.. and how we were to deal with and think about the dead. and a lot of it has little relevance, in the "real world". "Some of us" are so developmentally retarded, we may not have any other place to go.. I think if a person can make it out of that organization with a marriage intact.. with a somewhat functional setting.. it's not so bad.. but to start over again, I don't think der vey gave us the proper tools.. I've honestly prayed at times.. "God, don't let me die while I'm still so stinking ignorant.."

I think it'd be easier to find Waldo..

Outcome A - The Human. Based on the descriptions you chose, you are practical, reliable, friendly, and fit in with people quite nicely. You probably have a regular family and do well in acedemia. And all these years I thought I was an alien..

Plan as they wish.. lessee if indeed they can really schedule the "adversary" out of their lives.. ya know, there may come a time in the not too distant future that all of that money and holdings will be WORTHLESS.

Naw, I think you got kicked off because you put orange slices in the Guiness there..

Gotta go with the Braillettes. It's hard just to look closely at it.. kinda reminds me of Cinderella and the evil step-sisters.

my thoughts about the sinkalong der vey.. I think it shows part of a PATTERN of theft, plagiarism and copyright infringement. In the case of the blue book, somebody called the vicmeister on it. I remember some songs that went away.. apparently either der vey could not afford, or the copyright holders simply refused to have their works in a cult's publication.. the theme song for the corps was one of them if I remember correctly..

and who knows or not if they struck a "deal"? I think the whole point.. we don't know why the old mogster seemed to get away with murder right in the light of day.. reminds me of a theft at work a few years ago.. the guys had a whole set of washer, dryer, fridge at the back of the store, they went inside for three minutes before loading it.. and it was GONE. About two or three in the afternoon. The guys who simply loaded it up and left looked pretty "professional".. nice truck.. nobody said a single word or suspected anything. It was the biggest loss the store has ever had to date. point is: the worst thefts seem to happen right out in the open. I remember the mogster even appropriated other people's music from whatever source.. I remember being threatened with certain "death" if I didn't destroy the old blue sing along der vey's in my possession.. the brown book had almost an apology in it.. "to the best of our ability, we've endeavored to get the rights..(this time)" Oh yeah. at work, they also lost a dishwasher, a complete set of some VERY expensive oak dining set.. and more. all it took was five minutes..

hmm. I kinda see it surrounded with barbed wire fence, overgrown, and the only inhabitants the indigenous animals..

Me too.. especially when I was forty stinking years old.. you'd think they thought I wasn't potty trained.

Yep.. and Mr. Kentucky's "finger lickin food" has to be on the menu. I know somebody that paid hell for giving the visiting mog finger food..

hmm. vic pretty much claimed that the trinity was satan in disguise..

I wonder if they yanked it because of possibility of libel..

Another one.. the friggin visiting mogster eats LAST. Let him scrape the bottom of the bowl of green bean salad like anybody else..

Yes, Tales from Topographic Oceans.

I remember the old vicster saying something like he couldn't exist without an enemy.. it was kinda uttered under his breath. Anybody else remember this?

I had a few feelings like the guy was trying to call the alarm for people to circle their wagons around his particular dogma.. I could practically see the arrogance. Imagine.. an anti-cult cult..

In a way, I have to agree with Oldies on a lot of this.. I remember debating with people in the seventies and early eighties.. they seemed to have an irrational kind of concern, but they didn't have a clue of what vey doctine was about. I thought they were out of their minds. They would say things like "so you don't believe that Jesus is the son of God.." Nor did they know what day to day life was really like for a follower.. no, we didn't sacrifice babies or small animals. As far as I knew, they didn't at headquarters either. With who's in charge there now, it wouldn't suprise me though.. I think debating doctrine only fuels the us versus them mentality. It only seems to polarize the two camps. The real issues are abuse and worse. Seems like if you debate, you lose. The guy that started the thread seems to have an issue with being right. It almost has the feel of one of loy's rants, minus the obscenities. An 8.5 by 11 glossy of the mogster with his pants down would have been worth over a thousand words. I think something like that would be far more effective in persuading somebody to leave the organization.. "see, maybe he can teach the bible, but a pervert is still a pervert.."

How about her? She was still in during my exit in the 1990's. twenty-somethingth corps.. was at headquarters at least a while..

I think they were sued for WHAT they said about the Grae*ers, not that they necessarily posted here.

I dunno.. I kinda thought calling them vic, or vp, loy.. all small letters, was appropriate. small letters are fitting for small men..

Well, like you said, I'm not holding my breath here.. Makes me wonder why it took such a fiasco to get as much change as this..

Roy, I'm beginning to think that the discerning of spirits and casting out of devils, as we were schooled by der vey, was about as primitive as a cave man trying to perform brain surgery with a bone knife. We were given a whole list of spirits, and we were supposed to match the apparent symptoms to the one that was the closest match.. "look, he yawned, in class! He must be influenced.. maybe possessed! Hmm... has a degree.. could be a fallacious spirit.." Then the guy who was simply bored to tears is facing the modern equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition.. Maybe some people have had different experiences, but I think the casting out of spirits for the most part is no different than hypnotism. You make a suggestion.. and the person thinks they feel better. I think it can effect people on an unconscious level.

Make sure it's a copy of the Living Bible..

honest to God.. if we ever have "fellowship" at my house.. sit wherever you want.. :)