Radar OReilly

Check this out....it is from an old archived thread called SUICIDE IN TWI, it is read only from the gspot archives: http://gscafe.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=9...2151#1146062151

UH, Go read my post on the way corps witnessing thread. Now, many years and much *seperation* later from twi.....I am just now realizing how much I thought I knew, when I knew really very little. ror

Can someone find that thread? The guy Hairy is referring to was a very dear friend of mine, this whole subject makes me very sick. Radar

Quick de rail, Hola Soques! You are still my hero... hi to you and Mrs Socks. Ala......you are simply too awesome for words. Radar :)-->

LIGHTBEARERS.......EEEEEK!!!! I went three times, 1st time my first year in the spring of 83 to Lincoln NE. We didn't get a class together...we were one person short so we were deemed "worthy" to stay in the corps. We had a blast, but the pressure of having to get a class together or be dismissed from the corps was always a heavy weight to bear. We were sent out for another week a month later to Edmond OK.....okay, I WILL NEVER LIVE IN Oklahoma!!!! We were with an interim corps gal who was great, but really, I should have grown up that week when I woke up in the middle of the night to figure out that the elder corps lightbearers coordinator was f**king my 13th corps sister right next to me in bed. When I got back to Emporia ... little puritan me reported it to the Corps Coordinators, the elder corps guy had to apologize to me and the whole thing was neatly put away. The third time was my last year, I went to Arkansas....okay.....I WILL NEVER LIVE IN ARKANSAS. First of all...it was during Easter week, and we had to drive to another county to buy communion wine --> I think this week was my first clue on how seriously inept and spiritually unprepared we were. I was sitting in a park witnessing to a woman when she just blurted out that she had just been released from a juvenile prison for murdering her mother. The girl I was with was just about to give her the telephone and address of where we were staying, when I dropped the subject and moved on. Maybe we could have really helped that gal....I don't know, but I was sooooo uncomfortable about giving her the name and address of unsuspecting folks that I just rolled up the sidewalk and went home. Gosh......it amazes me....so young, so unprepared, so spiritually ill prepared....but so COCKY AND OVER CONFIDENT we were. Radar

:o--> :o--> :o--> Ditto on just about every thing everyone has said regarding twi believers seeking professional counseling. A couple of women I know that did need professional counseling were sent to Dottie M. for counseling....now, that bothers me. These women were young, innocent, inexperienced (you relating here ExCathy?) but were in desperate need of help. Dottie is excellent, well trained (educationally) and easy to talk to. I wonder about all of this now. She, as the counselor, KNEW, about the history of the *offender,* yet, counseled these very young women. Some how, some way.....that whole thing feels slimey. That aside, Imbus, I remember the 1984 strep throat outbreak at Emporia. I was at Gunnison that block and remember being SO THANKFUL that I was not at Emporia. My childhood, teenage and young adult years had been spent fighting off strep. I had been hospitalized a handful of times with strep, and had been cautioned that another case could prove "difficult." That block at Gunnison (first block 84) was THE FREAKING STALAG, it was meant to be a ball breaker and it was...but still I was thankful I wasn't there at Emporia because I realized that another serious strep infection could be fatal. Okay....how is that for a sick rationalization? Radar

Melanie graduated from the 13th corps and ended up marrying a great guy from the 17th corps. The last time I spoke with her was 4 years ago and she was definitely still in. Doug and Melanie McEwen live in the Denver/Aurora area. If they are still there, their number is listed. Radar If she is out....please come back and let me know. thx.

I think this is an important thread for people to deeply consider within themselves. In someways, I agree with George, some ways, with Oldies....can you say dichotomy (never mind SAY it, can I SPELL IT? It is almost easier for me to say WHEN during my 28 years "in" that I was HAPPY, than try and define when it was that I stopped being happy. The so called honeymoon.....in some ways it lasted the entire time of my tenure, because no matter where I was and at what time in twi history....there were always some GREAT PEOPLE, there to fellowship with, hang out with and share hearts with. The people I met along the way were awesome....it was the *church hierarchy* and directives from the higher life forms that often made life ALMOST unbearable. I have incredibly sweet memories of various twigs and specific people....I also have memories of LIVING hell that comprised various twigs and specific people. I loved my interim year, I LOVED going LEAD my last year in residence. I hated MOST but not all of my time on staff at hq, but the most horrible time definitely came after 1994-the end of 1999. The twi *church* doctrine was finally becoming so rancid that even a total wayfer such as myself had trouble sleeping. I hated the witch hunts, the purging of the *spiritually slothful and dishonest" and I was disgusted as I watched my friends and I die on the vine. After 5 years.....and all those years in twi, I still can't put my finger on WHEN I really, really, really knew that there was no hope, no love, no charity and no spirituality in twi. I am just so glad that I figured it out. Radar

EAGLE: GET OVER IT!!!! radar xxoo

Pawtucket my love, I don't really think this is the APPROPRIATE title for The sports forum. I mean....... THERE IS NO BALL IN NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!1;)--> radar...... fast....hot men......I AM THERE!!!!! ;)-->

Dmiller, please check your private topics. Radar

How about a postcard from a Pug at the beach in North Carolina? Ya'll have my address? jane_doe_us@hotmail.com ror

Jim, please check your private topics. ror

Cowgal..... Please check your privates. ror

Thanks Chas, NOBODY DOES IT BETTER !!!! BTW.......you are naming your next born after ME right? ;)--> Radar

CW:)--> Thank you for your kind and thoughtful post to Jim. He is his own MAN....and that he is, A MAN. Your apology means (probably) more to me than Jim. I brought it up SOLEY because it helped illustrate a point, that IN MY OPINION twi was a compilation of people and actions, weak, strong...and that many injustices are done. I want to say again, that I do not doubt the accounts that you and Mo have posted. It is VERY important to me personally that you understand that I am IN NO WAY questioning the veracity of the events that happened to you and Mo....in my opinion, neither was Jim. This thread..it is ugly and exposes an underbelly of LIFE and LIFE IN TWI that we never thought we would have to deal with. Thanks again CW.......thank you so much for taking my comments in the spirit in which they were offered....cyber world can be difficult, thank you for taking the time to evaluate a point of view that may have been different than your own. Radar

Georgio, I am/have been a victim of three. Familial incest from my cousin at age of 8, rape from a guy in my twig in 1979 and spiritual abuse ....from age 14- 44. I am perfectly qualified to make my decision and publish my decision as MY OPINION. Any questions......private message me. Radar

Waysurvivor, You ask a fair question. First of all....just so you know, I am a woman. Secondly, I don't know about the inner workings of any other cults than twi, but I know the inner workings of twi better than most. I also know quite a bit about repressed memories, which is why I am addressing them with you. Please, I am not attacking you, and I am not questioning the fact that your experiences are real to you. I just do not believe that your memories are rightfully attributed to anything that happened at Stalag (I mean) Camp Gunnison. Waysurvivor, email or private message myself or ExCathedra. She and I have different paths in life, but have experiences similar to yours. No one that has not experienced sexual abuse can relate to those that have, at least not on a particular and personal level. You thought this was a recovery site, for some people it is...but there is all kind of recovery missions, and all kind of recovery sites. I am not speaking for Exxie here but personally, my opinion is that spiritual abuse is much worse than sexual abuse, it cuts deeper and its consequences are eternal. Radar

Waysurvivor, Please go back and read my post. I in no way am saying that child abuse did not occur in twi. What I am questioning is your repressed memories. I am not even questioning that you believe your memories are true, I am simply stating my opinion of your presentation of those memories. I am glad to have you give a copy of my response to your therapist, more than you know. Again, please, don't completely reject my thoughts, they aren't intended as an assault on you, take them as they are offered, as my opinion. Radar

Waysurvivor, My email is jane_doe_us@hotmail.com or you can private message me. We have some things in common. There are lots of people here that can relate to you, me and exxie are two of them. Radar exxie, sorry to volunteer you, but you know what i mean. :(-->

Yeah, what outandabout said!!!!

WEll, this is my first post on this thread, but I have gone back to read it from the first post. Waysurvivor, I don't know how else to say it other than straight out, I don't believe a word you are saying. I think YOU THINK you are telling the truth, but I don't believe it IS the actual factual truth surrounding your situation. I was in twi for 28 years, I got in when I was 14. I lived and worked at all levels of the "way tree," in lots of states and at Gunnison, Emporia and Headquarters. I am no fan of twi, I don't often stick up for them on any level, but your story makes me draw the line. I know there were all sorts of individual child abuse cases, some terrible, like related by Mo and Coolwaters, BUT, overall, twi was made up of people...just like me, LindyHopper, Linda Z, Catcup, TheEvan, Jim, etc. The MAJORITY of twi followers were wonderful, idiotic dufusses that would never dream of abusing a child. There is NO WAY, NO WAY ON EARTH that what you are perceiving as buried memories are factually based, at least, NOT at Camp Gunnison (And God knows I HATE THAT PLACE) or any other root location. I hope you are seeking therapy, maybe ptsd or some other specialty, obviously you have been terribly scarred by something----and that is completely true and real, and is something you are experiencing. I am not calling you a liar, I just think your memories are jumbled. For the rest of you posters.....look, I hardly ever stick up for twi but I just don't believe these particular memories are true, and we do a tremendous disservice to people trying to leave twi, by not sticking to what we personally know to be true. CoolWaters----you jumped all over Jim earlier. I have known him almost all of my life. He is a good man, and has experienced at least as much as you have at the hands of twi. I agree with him, child abuse was the EXCEPTION. But that doesn't mean IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, and it certainly doesn't mean it didn't happen to you or your loved ones or any number of other people. I know for a fact that MOST of the *top* (what ever that means) did not tolerate or promote child abuse, at least sexual or physical (as in BEATING) abuse. I distinctly remember being in one meeting of region coordinators, in which a guy that had been M&A in one state was trying to go thru wow counseling at the roa. One particular Region guy went BALLISTIC right then and there.....I fully expected to see this region guy try to beat the idiot to a pulp. I was present in a meeting with most of the region men in which they were all outraged that the guy had even figured out how to sneak back into a twig across the country. Again, child abuse happened, and even though in most cases legal charges can't be filed, those that harmed our precious children will face a greater judge, I guess that can be our only consolation. Radar

Exxie, You are great. You have laid it all out, told your story as best you can, with as much honesty and clarity as you can, people will either believe it or not. That is EXACTLY my point, it is truthful, 1st hand experiences that will touch someone's heart. I am personally thinking of accounts from pre-waydale days that were so NOT TRUE and couldn't possibly BE TRUE. My point is that I was so close to some of the people being described that i KNEW that the stories weren't true, so I completely dismissed the whole account as a fairy tale. I personally think that if people stick to the facts, their own facts, things that THEY PERSONALLY experienced or knew of, that is much more powerful in reaching people that are desperately wanting to know the truth. Exxie, I think you and people like you (and me) need to shout our stories from the roof tops and rafters. If we tell our stories, at least for me, if it helps just one person extricate themselves.....it is worth the personal cost of exposing our hearts. Radar

Exxie, I think the point is, at least MY POINT IS, that when people tell THEIR OWN STORY it is more likely to be true than when someone tells SOMEONE ELSE'S STORY. If we each tell OUR OWN STORY as truthfully as we can, that is much more likely to bring deliverance to the poster and to others...than if someone tells "stories that they have heard" from other people. There are certainly enough people that have, REAL, TRUE, HONEST accounts to post and share....making some up only hurts the poster and the reader. I am IN NO WAY, saying that YOU or others like you have not been truthful. Radar

That is DUDETTE Radar to you ;)--> xxoo, ror