Radar OReilly

I knew Mark way back when.....in another life it almost seems. He and his wife Suzie were graduates of the 18th way corps and came on staff in the A/V department (can anyone say Joe Coulter) the year they graduated. Suzie died in childbirth while the two of them were on staff at HQ, she was Joe's Executive Assistant. Suzie was an awesome gal..she and I had many heart to hearts......lots of time chatting at meals and other times. She died during childbirth, and she and Mark were CRUCIFIED by lcm on the next corps night. She was too proud, too sure of herself, too uptight, too dishonest, wouldnt take naps, wouldn't this, wouldnt that. One thing I remember clearly.....she and Mark met when she was in high school in Wisconsin. She was perhaps a sophmore, maybe a junior. Mark was her SCHOOL BUS DRIVER and was quite a bit older than she was, he hit on her...she resisted as long as she could but he was too cute. I asked her how her parents felt about him being sssooooooo, much older than she was.....she said she was too afraid to tell them...they never knew about their relationship until she was 18. Apparently, Mark had proclivities long before he was caught. He should have been caught and jailed when Suzie was 16.....not 15 years later when she was dead and he had moved on to his next wife and her family. I am sick about this. ror

Doing the happy dance with Shell!!!!!!! NOW can you get a pet? ;)--> ror

Satori, Does "I don't care" count? ror

The death penalty......I am conflicted about it in many ways. As for Scott Peterson, death row in San Quentin will allow him a bird's eye view of the bay....the very place he left his wife and unborn child to rot and be washed ashore as trash. It is a fitting sentence. ror

WOW......what alot happened on this thread today, that'll learn me to not skip checking in at gspot during lunch. CoolWaters...I apologize if anything I said annoyed or hurt you in anyway. I completely admire you for being willing to put such a private concern out here on the threads for public consumption. I hope you find the answers you were searching for. I will always be amazed at the great wealth of experience, understanding and wisdom that can be found here at Greasespot. We may disagree....experience misunderstandings, hate what one another has to say....but there is something about being able to share hearts with other former *cult* members that is absolutely invaluable. I think I am gonna print and save this thread. Thank you to all of you. CW.....you are the best......so full of guts!!!! ror

DERAIL.....(sorry satori), Yesterday I was at an intersection, watching the cars go by. A car that was exactly like the one LCM drove for a few years drove past me (an oldsmobile 88, maroon with silver stripes.) I am not kidding, I immediately started to hyper-venilate, then I realized why that car affected me, and I was able to calm down. Will this happen forever? Gawd,,,,,,it was awful. ror

CW :)--> I am going to say something here that is ONE MILLION PERCENT NOT politically correct. LOVE IS LOVE, SEX IS SEX. There is love with sex, love without sex, sex without love and sex with love. Maybe there is a place in your relationship for all of the above for both you and your partner? As we age our bodies become different. We sag in someplaces , are chubby in some places, some *organs* work differently than they used to....but there is a season in our lives for EVERYTHING. For me personally, love is love. You have very publically shared here about your battle with your weight. Has your husband loved you in spite of, or perhaps because of your weight? I am not trying to be disrespectful at all. What I am saying is, for you to consider a few things in the larger MACRO version of life. Do you perhaps watch tv enough so that your total tv commercial time is 1/2 an hour a day? Do you perhaps have an equal amount of time each day to set aside for your partner? (I addressed this to CoolWaters...but that is only because she has the guts to put it all out here in real life.) What is 20 minutes of uninterrupted attention to your partner? Does it wreck your day? Don't you spend at least that amount of time each day at stop lights or in the check out line at the grocery or drug store? Do you love him/her? What does it REALLY COST YOU to spend 20 minutes or 1/2 hour in total one on one time? Are you telling me that you don't have half an hour to devote to the person you have declared yourself to? Do you really NOT HAVE IT WITHIN YOU to shut off the world for 30 minutes and devote that time to your partner? This goes to you men too. So freaking what!!! It takes you a little longer.....a little more effort.....isn't it worth it to make your partner feel special, loved, worth a million bucks? My point is this....either you love your partner or you don't. You are either willing to give 100% of yourself or you arent. If you are withholding such a small part of yourself each day...WHY? If you were to ask your partner if they would prefer 7 home cooked meals a week, or 5 home cooked meals, and 2 half hour sessions of intimacy a week....what would they say? DO YOU EVEN CARE WHAT THEY WOULD SAY? I think we all need to get bare boned honest here. What is important in our lives...our personal time, tv time, nap time, do nothing bs time....or the heart, soul and well being of the person we love. ror I want to make something perfectly clear here....I have been involved in a relationship in which the man did have ED. ED can be a by- product of such things as diabetes, medications, cancer, etc. If you are a man experiencing such issues .... how can you still achieve intimacy with your lover? There are many, many, many ways. Check them out....don't be so quick to just reject all forms of touching and cuddling. There is a time for every season under heaven......FIND IT. You can both find what you are looking for, but only with honesty.

Raf, One of the so called *prophecies* that I remember is in the section of POP that deals with international outreach. Can someone with the transcript find the section in which cg says that we has so used/abused *the africans* as in the Bayunga crowd that they would raise up against us and possibly kill us all..within 10 years, or something to that effect? Oh gosh, you all wouldn't believe how wierd it was to be on staff at headquarters between April 86 and 94.....well, probably until this day. Then there was the time that Jane Lind and Debra Zelov were over at the Stork farm *taking care* of cg and the Polings. Both women, Jane and Debra both *swore* that one day, cg's visage *changed* before their very eyes and he looked exactly like vpw. Wierd.....I always thought that the resemblence between cg and Rush limbaugh was striking!!! ror

Shortly after Extwi (Paul) contronted the bot in the osc conference room about lcm, and then left twi property, one of my dearest friends, who also happens to be a Wierwille called me and told me that *lcm had ****** the wrong guys wife this time. He told me to keep my ear to the ground for a site called Waydale. I was still very involved in twi, but was secretly searching the internet for anything I could find about twi. At the time there was No Way OUT, Juedes, Watchtower, Trashnet and a couple of other sites. I knew WAY MORE about twi than was being posted on any of those, and yet....I still didnt have the guts, or support system to leave. I was dying inside. TWI was all I had known since I was 14 years old. ALL OF MY FRIENDS, all of my interests, all of my life experiences seemed to be so intertwined with twi....I was at a loss as to how to leave. When Waydale first started up, there were WONDERFUL posters, the concept of an ex way board was so new. Paw and Sudo, Hope R, Toto, Edi, Orange Cat......Groucho :)-->, and others...I would watch them interact and spill their guts. I was still *in* so I didnt post...it seemed that if I posted while I was still in...I would be a hypocrite...or even worse..FOUND OUT. It was when ChasUFarley started posting, and Jim and Kit and Fred Sober, that I began to really want to post....I had known them all for years...and I wanted to be able to interact with them. Paw had Gspot up and running for several months before Waydale closed.....it was a normal progression for me. I don't know that I would have made any where near the recovery....emotionally, physically, spiritually that I have now..without Waydale and Greasespot. It allowed me to voice SO MUCH ANGER (in the early days), so many questions, and allowed me to share in my path of healing with so many of you. Thank you all. Radar

Oh....I forgot Ralph D as a member of the yaks.....sowwy 69! ;)--> ROR

Sunesis, John Townsend *alledgely* would sit in his office in the auditorium, call cg, leave the phone off the hook so that geer could hear everything that was being said during staff meetings, closed corps meetings and sts. I am sure cg had more than one mole, most of them didn't last very long. ror

SHAZ!!!!!!!!!! STOP READING MY MIND AND POSTING IT HERE AT GREASESPOT!!!!!!!! Seriously, JM, I spent almost 30 years in twi. I got involved my freshman year in high school....1971-72 and left on December 1, 1999. It isn't as it appears, it isn't innocent, or harmless or empowering. I am not even convinced that it is Christian. I don't know when I think it became a cult....but I do know that NOW it is a cult. A harmful, dangerous, life sucking, cult. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, take up one of the many offers on this thread to speak privately with some of the posters, look in my profile and contact me. JUST DON'T sink your heart and soul into twi, friend or no friend......your life is the only one you have. Don't spend even a second of it, committed to a false ministry. radar

(((((Kit))))) Thanks for the great thoughts. You and Fred......you are so important to me, thanks for everything, especially, for bringing up things like this for me to ponder. ror :)-->

The special twig was called the "yak twig." To the best of my recollection--- it was A VERY LONG TIME AGO......the yak twig was comprised of LCM, Donna, Howard Allen, Don Wierwille, John Townsend, Ricardo Caballero and Art Poling. John Townsend and Art Poling were completely, totally and unyieldingly, CG's men. Ricardo, well, Ricardo was a man who was seriously in over his head. He was conflicted....a good man, but he couldn't see the forest from the trees and it played out in great drama in his personal life. Looking back, it is interesting that Ricardo & Sue and Art & Nora Poling were divorced within 5 years of March 1989--when lcm broke with gartmore. LCM & Donna survived another 10 years at least outwardly. The pressure of those days, rightly or wrongly----right god or wrong god, was immense. That said, I don't know if any of you have ever read the post I did many years ago on Waydale called, Passing of the Patriarch, A night that will life in infamy. CG was and is an enigma to me, I make no claim to understand him, or know him as a close personal friend. During those years, I was in a position to interact with him quite frequently.... As to ExCathedra's comments about him having a handgun in his hand when she accidently walked in on him in residence. He had a handgun either on his lap, or on the desk (behind the privacy shield) the night he read Passing of the Patriarch to the entire way corps in March of 1986....while lcm sat in a chair next to the desk on the stage of the vpwwow auditorium. ror

Dick Kunkle? ror

Exxie, Too many Chris and Barbara-s in this conversation?>?????? :D--> radar

Barbie's brother is Chris Lagey (formerly 3rd corps.) Seems to me that John Shroyer has been over to England and met with the Kents. Check with cffm.org, maybe they can help? ror

Exxie....... THANK GOD FOR YOUR POST. Are you and I the only two living humans that think he , possibly could be a.......freaking fruitcake? ror

PLEASE PARDON THE SIDEWINDER....... TOM......... I need to talk to you. ror

garth..... check your privates ;)--> ror

Tricia's sister is Ferne Clapp (married to Wayne Clapp.) You can contact him at cffm.org radar

Chas, Have a waissal for me! My outside decorations are already up - nevermind the fact that it is raining like a "mother." The tree and decorations are in the garage.....and the pug had his picture taken with Santa last weekend. I HEAR YA SISTER!!!!! Wish we could go to Starbucks together!!! ror

Exxie, I totally agree with you. The part that ....es me off....personally, is that it is True. God would have been more important......but TWI WAS ABOUT EVERYTHING BUT god. This year, already the house is spic is span, the turkey is in the fridge, the collards are in the garden and the wine glasses are ready for the guests! :)--> Tildy, your post brought tears to my eyes. Save that card a while longer okay? I want to include it in my book. ror

WEll........JonBonJovi said he would throw him off the team!!!! That works for me! That interview today proved one thing to me, THANK GOD ARTEST CAN PLAY BASKETBALL, because he is a functional illiterate and if he couldn't make 5 mill a year playing professional sports he would either be in jail or on welfare. radar NASCAR RULES!!!! This is only my second foray into this forum, and If I can make a suggestion......THE WALLPAPER IS MAKING ME NAUSEOUS. How about a floral and pastel?

StrangeOne, BOTH KIDS???????? ROR