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Well, there's always Sue, Grabbit & Runn and a real firm I came across - Crook & Co (you'd think a lawyer would change his name by deed poll or something!)

Sticky Toffee Pudding (This is a totally weird looking recipe, especially the bit about making the sauce. But "stick" with it!) The recipe is pretty good natured and flexible in the amounts. For Americans, please note 1 oz is about 25g and 500ml is about 22 oz liquid, rather more than a US pint. For the sponge: 100g dark muscovado sugar 175g Self Raising flour 125ml full fat milk 1 egg 1 tsp vanilla extract (I never bother) 50g unsalted butter For the sauce: 200g dark muscavado sugar 25g unsalted butter in blobs 500ml boiling water Preheat oven to Gas Mark 5/190deg C and butter a 1 1/2 litre (3 pint?) capacity pudding dish. Combine 100g sugar with flour in large bowl. Pour the milk into a measuring jug, beat in the egg, vanilla and melted butter and then pour over sugar and flour, stirring with a wooden spoon to combine. Put into dish. Sprinkle over the 200g sugar and dot with butter. Pour over the boiling water and transfer carefully to the oven. Set timer for 45 minutes, though pudding may need 5 or 10 minutes more. Top of pudding should be springy and spongy when it's cooked, underneath is a rich sticky sauce. ================================================ Comment: You will need a fairly large dish as the water on top stands proud before it's cooked; and the mixture rises quite a lot after cooking. We made this with chopped up dates mixed into the sponge mixture, which added a really delicious flavour. No doubt other fruits (sultanas?) or perhaps nuts could be added to give extra interest to the flavour. The vanilla essence could be substituted for coffee or other essence to complement other fruits and the taste of the sticky toffee sauce.

Okay, in rez sometimes for breakfast we had "5 grain" or "7 grain", a sort of porridge. I loathe "ordinary" oatmeal porridge, but I LOVED the seven grain. Anybody got a recipe that I can play with?

Good advice, Mark. I was M&A’d ages ago over … nothing; a bit of vindictive aggression from someone who is still in. Spent a long time out. Now discovered this place, where I have PERMISSION TO THINK (singing and dancing again ). Nowadays if it says VPW on the label I’m simply not interested. On reflecting on PFAL, what appears to be good about it is that lots of it was not devised by VPW but almost all of it simply copied by him. As such, I now no longer have a difficulty in accepting what seems good to me about it. As for JCOP and JCNG (and JCOPS), if these are VPW products – no thanks. However as research team products done largely by people who did actually seem to understand Greek and Hebrew, that puts a different complexion on these works. Or if they also are plagiarised, what are the credentials of the author whose work is plagiarised? That’s why I started this thread. I can hardly bear to read KJV (especially that which went through TWI with me) and have now collected various other versions but what I most enjoy at the moment is The Message. I go through long periods where I don’t read much at all in any Bible but just mull over what I have studied over many previous years, fitting it together perhaps differently and perhaps not, and quite often pondering in the light of some thread currently under discussion in GSC (in any section). Meditating in the scriptures is a good thing to do; reading (any version) can be quite simply Works. Some contributors to GSC offer quite different perspectives – eg, Abigail offers the Jewish perspective and her posts often point to something quite interesting and which simply NEVER got an airing in TWI but nonetheless sheds important light on the culture from which such-and-such an incident springs. Other posters offer other input. I have revived pre-TWI friendships with other Christians and enjoy visiting their churches with them. I work with a Serb; she describes the services at different of her churches that she attends. I quite fancy going for a look. Some parts of other organisations’ services are to be appreciated; others are simply baffling – but if it helps them, why not? One thing I do know: my relationship now with God is better, purer and more loving than I can remember in years. Not that he has changed, but I have. And He isn’t squashed into a box now.

Hey, you learned the language well from LCM (perhaps somebody should post that on the MySpace bit - I'm not going to). Just so long as you haven't picked up his other habits...

Dan, I'm a serious habituee of such places. I have managed to get myself locked into one public library on at least two occasions, perhaps more (I get so engrossed in whatever I picked up that I simply don't hear the calls announcing that the library is closing) - the first time I panicked a little but then a late leaving staff member escaped just before me and I found the secret switch hidden behind the potted plant. My reading matter became seriously curtailed in the TWI years (read the bible and the prescribed works and little else). Now I am healing I can read and think about what I'm reading.

I find it interesting to look at news reports and remove emotive and provocative verbs (in particular) and substitute more bland ones: (eg) local health chief admits ... (probably something quite innocuous) - becomes local health chief says/comments/.... The perspective on some of the more outrageous articles out there changes dramatically.

((Tears running down my cheeks - LOL - LO V V L)) ((People looking at me strangely))

Somebody here missed the Prisons without Bars and the Spiritual Elitism threads!Military vets probably grumbled like heck about some of their orders, even as they fulfilled them. In TWI if you grumbled about orders, you would get at best a face melt and put in the spiritual brig, where some have spent a very long time. Some were dishonorably discharged or shot at dawn, ie M&A. It's always good to respect anybody who seriously stands for anything. You can respect their commitment without having to respect what they stood for.

Ex10: However did you know that the other dessert at our Sunday meal was - Sticky Toffee Pudding?? I will get the recipe from my girlfriend and post it. Perhaps in the Kitchen section. Look out for it in the next few days.

Just a thought... I'm a human being. I have a cat. My cat understands me when I call her (whether she obeys is another matter). She also makes an assortment of noises at me and I know what they mean. Lots of people have dogs. Dogs appear understand instructions, ie human words, better than cats. People understand their dogs' yips, yaps, growls, whines, etc also. I don't speak cat-ese or dog-ese. But we understand each other. Without going all "natural realm" or "spiritual realm" - ain't we talking about completely different things communicating perfectly adequately? Sure God can speak to natural man. He can do this directly, or indirectly by means of his book. Has to be true - else how could we mere humans *ever* know?

Well, Doojable, tried your Choc Swirl Cheesecake, and very well received it was too. Took a bit longer to bake than I'd expected but maybe the stove wasn't set quite right. Took very much less time to dispose of it than to make it... Thanks!

Ain't that so true! I've used my initiative to upgrade some case management templates at work that saves thousands and thousands of dosh each month. Do I get thanks? No, threatened with disciplinary proceedings. Ugh. (However, my new employer is so impressed at the initiative and skill involved that *he* is offering me a job, on the strength of that extra work - he hasn't been looked at the templates!!) (God does reward us, one way or the other!) Even though (unfortunately) I'm often a few minutes late into work, I always make it up and they get more time than they pay for. As for the occasional short phone call to check on the kids/make dental appointment/... - I kinda take the view that it's akin to not muzzling the ox as it treads the corn.

I got a serious yum out of the chocolate swirl cheesecake too. It was greatly enjoyed by all the dinner guests.

Coming so closely after PoP, I suspect the publication of these books was due to a combination of idolatry (VP worship) and ego (to which CG was not a stranger). Coat-tailing, if you like.

Good stuff, Belle. Not surprised at some of the names, but others it surprises and saddens me to see. I knew them as lovely fun and tender people.

Just fishin' to see what's out there... not much. I think this great sense of humor must have about disappeared by the time I got to rez. He could be jolly but it was a sort of "eggshell humor" - always wary about what might be coming next. Okay, anybody got anything else to add?

Hey, I was just saying what Jo-hn Re-nolds had said to me, and his reaction to it. One of those red flag moments but you don't like to enquire further... And as I said, I don't think JR was speaking of himself but echoing what had come down from L-M. White Dove: sounds as though you actually have one or more of these books, is this what it says in the flyleaf? which is, of course, completely accurate. Waysider: LOL!

Nah, having M&A'd too many tender hearted people, they're trying a new tack with whoever is left (and still tender). They're going to eat them (LOL)

HCW: What an experience that must have been! (LOL) How come they didn't recognise you and sue you for trespassing? Nobody there who recognized you? What are they doing with all that modern technology, anyway?

Time for a change of pace, perhaps… We all have our horror stories about LCM. I wondered if there were any good things to be said, practical advice given that was sound and worth following. On a cold morning recently, I was wiping the heavy condensation off my car prior to going to work. I was reminded of a cold morning at HQ – well, it was probably a winter lunchtime – when LCM started going on about people clearing off their cars in winter. He wanted the front and back windscreens of vehicles completely cleared of snow and ice before those vehicles were driven, not just a little hole cleared in the front to peer through (don’t remember him mentioning the front side windows, but the same would apply). This was coupled with a threat that anyone found not clearing their windscreens would be instantly dismissed from the campus. I happen to think that he was absolutely right on this occasion, especially in view of the large number of pedestrians that could be found at certain times of the day in and around the grounds. Yes, it was just "common sense" and no special revelation needed, but lots of people did not (and still do not) do such simple things (you in TX don't have the need!) and clearly people needed to be told or reminded. Not starting a fan club here, but does anyone want to add any other genuinely useful advice?

Getting sucked into my local library this afternoon (a common occurrence) I found a well-borrowed 400 page book entitled, “The Trinity – True or False?” by a couple of guys who say in their foreword that “neither [of them] … lay claim to any biblical “scholarship” and their only qualification for this task is a lifetime’s regard for and study of scripture and a desire that its teaching should be correctly understood. In the use and meaning of original Greek and Hebrew words, we have had to rely heavily on standard works of reference… “As far as the division of labour is concerned, chapters 4,5,7 and part of 3 are the work of xxx and the balance is that of the co-author yyy… “Our thanks are due to several of our fellow Bible students to whom we showed the early drafts, and who made many helpful comments and suggestions.” There is more of this humble approach, acknowledging contributions of others. The back of the book contains lots of scripture references; a bibliography with all works studied; a history/development of the trinity, and other helpful stuff. Just reading the foreword and the very last para, it appears their conclusions are that JCNG. I obviously haven’t read it yet but liked the way they “set out their cart” and announced their antecedents right at the beginning – no pretending to be a research ministry or that they had qualifications in ancient languages; and they acknowledge the help given by others and their sources. Not having my copy of JCNG available, I can’t recall what that contains, but it certainly wasn’t this forthcoming about its basis. Rather, that one is: This is it so just believe it. It will be interesting to see how these guys get to where they end up, and how they deal with certain scriptures. More on this later, perhaps. Getting sucked into my local library this afternoon (a common occurrence) I found a well-borrowed 400 page book entitled, “The Trinity – True or False?” by a couple of guys who say in their foreword that “neither [of them] … lay claim to any biblical “scholarship” and their only qualification for this task is a lifetime’s regard for and study of scripture and a desire that its teaching should be correctly understood. In the use and meaning of original Greek and Hebrew words, we have had to rely heavily on standard works of reference… “As far as the division of labour is concerned, chapters 4,5,7 and part of 3 are the work of xxx and the balance is that of the co-author yyy… “Our thanks are due to several of our fellow Bible students to whom we showed the early drafts, and who made many helpful comments and suggestions.” There is more of this humble approach, acknowledging contributions of others. The back of the book contains lots of scripture references; a bibliography with all works studied; a history/development of the trinity, and other helpful stuff. It is footnoted throughout with scripture references and references to works that the authors considered. Just reading the foreword and the very last para, it appears their conclusions are that JCNG. I obviously haven’t read it yet but liked the way they “set out their cart” and announced their antecedents right at the beginning – no pretending to be a research ministry or that they had qualifications in ancient languages; and they acknowledge the help given by others and their sources. Not having my copy of JCNG available, I can’t recall what that contains, but it certainly wasn’t this forthcoming about its basis. Rather, that one is: This is it so just believe it. It will be interesting to see how these guys get to where they end up, and how they deal with certain scriptures. More on this later, perhaps.

Be patient, the removal of Waybrain affects us all differently ... Though it would be useful for God to have something to work with to reconstruct.

Dang, you should have gone after him. Would have filled your freezer for a year. Ed Horney would have loved the roadkill. (Well after several months he told us to stop the roadkill jokes.) Seriously - glad you weren't hurt. Lots of good advice here. Locally, in deer areas there is a speed limit off 40 mph which it seems I alone observe.

Good post, Roy, everything you wrote could apply to me, ten years in, ten years out and only just beginning to heal I agree with what you said except for: because they surely are not recruiting in the numbers they did, GSC membership is expanding and ex TWIers are fleeing to the "membersip" of other groups, churches of all sorts, etc, only some of whom post here. TWI will die off from natural attrition. ...who then will own the cornfields?? Hey, should GSC make an offer? Cafe in the OSC, anyone?