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Wow, I wish he'd actually asserted his copyright. Could've stopped VPW in his tracks. Could've saved a lot of us a lot of grief. But I know God can turn lemons into lemonade, and we can benefit now from what we can accept at BGL's work - and be thankful for BGL (as opposed to plagiarisers). Looks like BGL was concerned at two aspects: (1), unauthorised copying and flagrant passing off of written material; and (2) "others" making audio and video tapes. Maybe more than just VPW was plagiarising. Thanks for posting that, Rottie.

"Sporting" can certainly have sexual connotations: Isaac was seen "sporting" with his wife Rebekah - some versions use "caressing," another says "hugging and kissing" and another again: "making love." The hand on (or under) thigh certainly has a long history in Jewish /rabbinical teaching to mean hand on genitals, and the word for "thigh" is (apparently) also a (or the) word for "shaft," a word sometimes used today with a sexual connotation. Did we need to know this? Maybe, maybe not. Did we need to be taught this, in astounding detail, by a lecher whose outlook was not "love of God" focused, but "love of (lust for) women" focused? No, we did not. It's someone else's work he pinched, and passed off as his own, with his own particular emphasis.

Skyrider's initial post contained the above. And it appears to me that that severance of ties in community continues right now on this forum. The spat between DWBH and ShiftThis, and the way others are siding with one or the other (usually with DWBH), surely demonstrates the heinous VPW's continuing effects. Speak nicely, people. Don't "honor" VPW by treating others with the disrespect that he treated all his peepul.

Two spent forces - join forces? The sooner they trickle into the "Dead Sea" of their imaginations, the better for all of us, their barrenness obvious to all.

All you never wanted to know about life in all its fullness.

I sing in a little music group leading the singing in church. The list of what we'll be singing is circulated a few days before. When I saw this song was on it - just the title - my eyes popped out and shivers ran along my spine. Not in a good way. Eh heh, I gave the song my best shot. Another dragon slain!

A bit of amusement for you. NOT what the title suggests!!

Got any suggestions about how to stop Win 10 bloody well trying to synch to OneDrive? I don't want that, resent it enormously, and it's caused me to lose a whole lot of documents and photos. And when I've restored from the OD Recycle bin, it's stuck items any bloody place it feels like, nothing like in the original folders. I NEVER like NEVER want to synch anything. In fact, I don't want any of my private data anywhere near any remote location. Except in my pen drive which sits in my desk drawer.

Always sad when there is a premature death. Doubt it was anyone at TWI but maybe she'd been hitching to or from HQ. Found myself wondering how the newsies got permission for the shots of the fountain - the reporter appeared to be actually well on grounds. As to the road sign, well, it's at the roadside.

Okay, thanks, I have got my stuff off the cloud, well, some of it. Not all, some seems to have disappeared, and some has appeared in folders other than those in which it ought to be. Maybe I will find some of the lost stuff in inappropriate folders. Or maybe it is gone forever. I still have a lot of work to do, in moving into this laptop. Thank God I also backed up my Work folders onto a pen drive as well, because the folders for the last two financial years are incomplete and my Excel spreadsheets are nowhere obvious. As a self-employed person, these are vital for working out the income tax I have to pay, and I fancy the Revenue would take a dim view of my excuse that my income and expenses documentation had disappeared into a cloud. One somewhere over the rainbow, presumably, LOL. I had an HP laptop previously. This one is a Dell. Function keys work a little differently, but I guess everything is here, somewhere, somehow. I bought MS Office 2010 when I bought the HP; now it seems I can get MS Office online. Which, of course, only works when I can be online; no internet access for the last few days has been a bit of a pain.

A bit off topic, but I'm beginning to wonder if the word "study" had an ancient meaning that gave a different nuance. We all know that AV [KJV] is written in 1600s English, and some words have changed their meaning somewhat. A bit like the word "practise/practice." Now, we often mean it to learn a skill - say, piano playing. We practise scales, etc by doing that repetitively. But doctors, lawyers, architects - and musician - etc, "practise" as they work repetitively at the same sort of tasks, and they're very skilled already while they do those tasks..

Now if you actually had the videotapes for the class, you'd find that "twiggetry" (love it!) and tapes make great bonfires. Welcome back to the Café! you made it just in time.

As you can tell, I seem to have forgotten how to type on my "newe" toy. Hey, maybe that's what I'll name this device. Nevé (as in the French pronunciation - ne-vay). Case colour is "sparkling white."

Just got myself a new laptop, Dell Inspiron, preloaded with Windows 10 and a few MS bits and pieces (well, what isn't, these days?). A question or two for techies here. It uses Edge as a browser. Is it any good? Reliable? Stable? I am used to Firefox. Don't know whether I should download FF and use instead. Next question, and this is a real dorky one: I backed up all my stuff to the cloud before I took in my old (well-running) HP laptop for its "health check," which was a good thing that I did, as Curry's have managed to replace the hard disk and now they can't get it going again ("driver problems"). Hence my brand new computer. BUT how do I easily get my stuff OFF the cloud? I want everything on the laptop. Not in outer space to be hacked into by any high school kid that chances across it. Thanks in anticipation of your assistance!!

I'm all for telling how God is good, is faithful, cares. And giving examples. Happy to share with anyone how God is at work. If that's "moving the word," fine. What we never knew, much less said, was that in TWI it was "moving the goal posts" that was what was meant.

I also give monthly to Medicine San Frontiers aka Doctors Without Borders. Why? They're definitely not a Christian organization. Why? Because I'm so thankful for the extraordinary access and free healthcare available to me under our National Health Service. Some people have to walk days for medical treatment and even then it's not good. MSF provides services in remote areas, free of charge. I can't help those citizens directly, but indirectly via MSF works for me. And, of course, because God makes his rain, his blessings, fall on the just and the unjust. He has compassion on the needy. He doesn't expect payment, just thanks, and sometimes he gets it.

I belong to two churches here. One I rarely support except for special things. Nobody ever enquires. There are occasionally invitations to donate. The other, that I regard as my main church, is a group of churches very active in supporting the community. Again, regular attendees are invited to donate, but nobody knows who does or doesn't, and there's absolutely no compulsion. I give, because I WANT to, because I know it costs money to help those with nothing. To provide the weekly free meal and hangout time for very lonely, or rather strange, or really impoverished, people hereabouts. To run after-school clubs, homework club, toddler group for young mums. To pay for the outgoings on our building and to heat it. Why would I NOT want to support that? And every year, the church treasurers present a report to explain how money is spent and answer any questions. Oh, and both churches support external groups - partner ministries overseas and such like. Sometimes an individual or couple undertaking work in Christian or non-Christian communities overseas. The question isn't whether one should donate or not, but is there compulsion? And who benefits from the money received?

I am soooo glad to be snuggled into a vibrant Christian community, where words are profound yet simple, and actions abound in service to others. I know this : if I'd known then of church communities like those I'm involved with now, I'd have called some of the things I saw when I was first beginning to get involved with TWI for what they were - unkind, unloving, egotistical. Scratch the surface of R&R. Hmm. Wonder what's underneath?

I just read the last 4 or 5 pages of this thread, lost patience earlier with it. But I thought I'd see if anything had changed. Grief, these groups, the people, are so full of ego, and nothing about genuine humility. "I can teach you this, that - and the other." Don't we have a holy spirit to help us? Don't we have lots of other GENUINE teachers? Those who teach with words (preachers) and those who teach by example, the ones at the coalface getting their hands dirty helping the vulnerableand disadvantaged?

Oh, thanks, T-Bone, for your kind words, but really I'm just a nobody trying to help a few people less fortunate than myself. I think God gave me a few "smarts" in trust to help others. And he gave me great parents to model how to help, selflessly. And God is kind enough to help all of us who want to help others. Even those who later behaved callously. I think most had a genuine desire to help others, originally. Then TWI perverted them with promiscuity coupledwith supposed "tough love." I pray they can recover their true Godly selves one day.

Hey, Chocky, your response seems a bit OTT. You've enjoyed posting here for some years. Why notoffer help in some way - financially or as an administrator, or in some other way.

Dunno, .T-Bone. I always thought of people's situations and tried to help. But then, I also thought that TWI was the answer. I wasn't a good salesman, but caring and being interested in people did encourage or even entice people to want to know more about TWI's wares. But ask some leaders for help ... I met some great caring folk. And some really hard ones, that you wouldn't naturally want to turn to. And I also watched so move from the first group to the second group. Not sure that I ever saw second group move to the first group. Glad to be out. I don't have to take my minister's advice, turn to him or her for help; there are many Christian people I know whose advice I can take seriously should I choose to seek it.

Hey Bramble. I enjoyed your posts. Good to hear from you again. Glad you'vegot a life. And a hubby. Life's good.

Mmmmm - just checked in after my vacation. I find myself wondering what you are on about and if you are on vacation, or at least your head is, in some very unusual place. In other words, what are you talking about?

Which kinda demands the questions: what about figures of speech? which are certainly NOT literal. And usage at what time period? Because surely also, words change meanings. Which VPW made a big deal of - mainly because he was soooo ignorant that he didn't actually understand the English language, never mind any ancient languages. Maybe - literals according to AB-usage? Or even - be-littles according to usage?