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I would add that John goes by his real name, has a real email address, and a real phone number that anyone who ponies up their real name may call to discuss their "beefs" with him directly.

Indeed, it would appear he was a great man who shunned finger-pointing victim mentality by accepting personal responsibility for the outcome of his destiny. A real winning attitude! "Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

I love that paragraph...

Wordwolf I offer an answer to your attack of JAL "he knew for 20 years and did nothing" as follows: he was a kool-aid drinker for 20 years, just like DWBH. Show some mercy bro. :D Since DWBH was there all those years, knew and experienced much or all of the same, rose up to a very high position knowing all those things for years; yet now gets exonerated from folks here at GS cafe, then we really should offer JAL the same courtesy don't you think? Its only fair.

I again read the list of differences with twi, and what caught my attention, again, was how many of the items on that list has been discussed and complained about here on GS Cafe! Good changes, positive changes for the better. Yet Lynn still gets slammed and disparaged. This proves to me one thing: that no matter how many changes are made, there will be endless criticisms, endless condemnation, endless complaining about something. It occurs to me that change will never be enough for those with an ax to grind. They want to use that ax. I would imagine that even if twi itself made these changes, the relentless attack machine wouldn't miss a beat. This attack machine is a form of godliness that I find repulsive. JAL is a brother in Christ, I wish him well always.

I think John was the first to coin the phrase "eat the fish, and spit out the bones". I like the letter, I think John does a good job of clarifying his current beliefs and intentions to carry on with "the fish...the good doctrine" of twi while abandoning the "evil...bones". He appears not to hold grudges and does not allow the sins of Wierwille to corrupt his thinking and abandon the pure and truthful doctrine. I applaud the distinctions made with twi, they appear to be trying to get rid of the bad while "holding fast that which is good". I like the list that clarifies the differences between CES/STFI and twi, this is food for thought and many of the CES points listed have been posted from time to time on GS Cafe: Differences with TWI

In other words the sins of the communicator does not negate the truths in the communication. or "If the music is not played properly or with love, doesn't mean the music is wrong, it means the person playing it is playing it wrong. The solution is not to throw away the music "because the person may be playing it wrong", the solution is to go find someone who plays the same music the right way." or ( I am not sure whether the last one is from DWBH himself or DWBH quoting the Dove, but whoever said it, I agree. :) )

Twinky, yes he's my cat Woody. His nose is very punched in, even for a persian. He looks like a gremlin. :lol:

If the music is not played properly or with love, doesn't mean the music is wrong, it means the person playing it is playing it wrong. The solution is not to throw away the music , the solution is to go find someone who plays the same music the right way.

T-Bone, it appears those verses are talking about a distinction that Jesus makes between the commandment of God and the traditions of men. The Pharisees by their traditions, the traditions of men, have made their traditions take the place of the commandments of God in their life; thus they have invalidated the word in that life, by their traditions. Doesn't make the word or commandments any less true. "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the traditions of men"... It doesn't say that the word or commandment of God is any less true because of the Pharisees behavior or traditions. Sunesis, I didn't label DWBH anything, much less a false prophet; you should not A$$-U-ME.

Then all one would have to do is hear it from someone not engaging in the same unscriptural conduct as the first. Same truth, only spoken by someone else who doesn't have the negative baggage attached.

Hi Radar, I don't know how that applies here. Is there a scripture that says the sins of Eli and his sons negated any truths that may have come out of their mouths?

Hi Mike. Says who? Chapter and verse please (and it should be quoted in the scriptures, not someone's interpretation of what someone MAY THINK something says.) I think this is a false doctrine being promoted. Beware of false doctrines folks.

DWBH, I disagree, and have found no reason to believe that unscriptural conduct negates scriptural truth.

Woody the Cat :lol:

Jonny, your PM inbox is full, please clear out some so I can send you a PM.

Sounds good Bumpy.

Yes... what I heard was something like in 5 years netflix or a system like it will be available in HD, right from your tv account, you won't need a computer just the cable or satellite or netflix box without having to deal with physical DVD's or computers. Right now I still use the physical DVD's, they are pretty reliable. Sometimes you get a bad one and they are good at replacement.

I have it but my account has been on hold for a few months. Heard a rumor that it will be obsolete in 5 years or so, because all movies will be downloadable in HD through your cable/satellite company. Who knows.

Looks like Doojable plagiarzed Wikipedia.

Its very simple for me Doojable. If TWI gets blamed when bad things happen there, its only fair they get some credit when good things happen there.

Nice pic Bumpy.

I can't concur with a statement like that. It's something like saying "I went to a Yankee game but it was separate from Yankee Stadium."

If I were paying someone to hear my problems, they better be interested! :) But I think you're average Joe Doaks doesn't care all that much. There's an old saying "laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone." I think the average person doesn't want to hear mourning and whining especially over decades old events; they probably figure the page should be turned already. They have their own problems to deal with as well. For me, understanding the fact that God is always there and people are not, helps. Scriptures I learned in twi help, like "casting all your care upon Him for he careth for you". "You become what you look at", somebody said that once. :) "Turn your eyes upon Jesus"...

Nice post Jonny. I remember meeting Kris back in December of 1973 at a live CFS camp with Dr. Wierwille. If memory serves, I was walking along in the early morning and she stopped me to tell me that there was a flag raising happening. Very nice person. Those early days were something weren't they? Of a truth God and Christ were among us. It was a privilege being a part of it.